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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 8, 2008 -> 09:27 PM) You and me both. Of course every good start Jose made I sat here hoping somehow we'd dump his ass. I've long said I have absolutely zero faith in Jose and unfortunately I have some fear that he's going to pitch himself out of having any trade value over the 2nd half of the season (thus meaning the Sox can't dump his ass in a trade this off-season). His velocity has been trending downward and it makes him much less effective given his true lack of anything but a fastball/forkball.

QUOTE (tonyho7476 @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 07:18 AM) Listen, I'm hoping that Harden takes a dump...but do you think the Cubs really traded anything good? Good depends on your definition of good. Murton, Patterson and Gallagher will all have extended major league careers as starters. The Cubs didn't have open positions so they aren't really effected by the loss of the talent but the A's will be able to plug all three of these guys into there lineup immediately and in Gallagher's case you are talking about a guy with #2/#3 starter upside (very live arm). Given Harden's injury history, I think you could call the deal a very fair return (especially since all three of the main pieces acquired should immediately become starters in Oakland).

The guys been on the squad for a couple years, I have zero problem with players being upset that he's gone or at least disappointed. They became friends with him. I've had layoffs a few times at the company I work for and in some instances it was my very good friends from work that got axed. I definitely was bummed out about it and said such but it didn't mean I let my work performance suffer and I'm sure the Sox won't let it effect themselves. I also don't think Ozzie needed to make a public statement. I still disagree with this 12 pitcher thing and would have kept Ozuna but thats a whole other argument.

Unless one of the power bats got hurt the Sox wouldn't consider such a move. Mainly because of Ken Williams history with Frank Thomas (ie, the media war the two have had with each other).

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 8, 2008 -> 04:14 PM) I'm starting to wonder how Beane keeps his job. They are 3.5 games out of the wild card despite completely over-hauling the roster (ie, moving Haren & Swisher). I don't think anyone in baseball would have expected that so he's done a pretty good job getting talent for his above average players who are due to get larger contracts. And this is coming from someone who has always made the statement that Beane is wildly over-rated.

QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Jul 8, 2008 -> 04:35 PM) Bon Voyage Petey Pablo, Group 4 is now completely gone (Harris, Widge, Blum, and Ozuna) Good thing Wise looks just like Wee Willie!!!!

I don't get how you can call Masset a below average reliever. Aside from a handful of below average outings, he's been pretty damn good.

Don't look at me, I assume they wouldn't be that foolish. But I also don't see why you DFA Ozuna if you are going to put Jenks on the DL. I think its smart putting Jenks on the DL anyway, this gives him an extended rest in season which hopefully will prevent him from coming back too soon and reinjuring something. I'm sure we'll call up another pitcher and my guess would be Wasserman. Unless the Sox opted to go with Broadway as a long-man, which could make sense since the Sox want to put Masset in much more of a set-up type of role.

So Ozuna will remain on the roster for at least a bit? Or are they going to call someone else up since Jenks will be on his way to the DL? I know Loaiza was going to have some side-sessions, is he going to be the new guy up?

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 8, 2008 -> 03:50 PM) what doesnt make sense? what i meant to say was that even if the sox wanted to get harden (which we clearly dont) or any other player for that matter...we have very little that we could offer that would top the weak crop of players that the cubs gave....maybe poreda anderson and richar are comparable to gallagher murton and patterson, but you can easily make a case for each of those cubs players over the sox players... i was simply commenting on how bad our system is Richar is comparable to Patterson. Fields would be better than Murton (BA would be a little less valuable than Murton). Broadway would be a less valuable than Gallagher. So technically speaking, Richar, Fields, Broadway would be similar value and would net you Harden/Gaudin (if the A's had interest and needs for those particular positions). I'm not concerned about the 4th guy as they didn't make the trade to get the minor leaguer (and the sox could easily inserted in Joe "Somebody" as the 4th guy).

I'll also say this, while Murton/Patterson should have value to Oakland, losing them will have no impact on the Cubs (since they really don't have roster spots). So essentially they are moving Gallagher and Donaldson (minor leaguer who has little importance to the major league roster) and getting back Harden (one of the best pitchers in baseball when healthy) and Gaudin (an upgrade from Gallagher at this point). So they got back two guys who will help upgrade the roster and pitching staff without losing anyone that would help them this year (imo). From that standpoint, you got to call it a pretty good deal. Also, Gallagher (who has the most upside of anyone dealt) still doesn't have the potential or ability to do what Harden does (although I think he can peak as a #2 or #3 starter if all goes well). At the same time, Oakland saves a lot of money and gets a few guys that are major league ready.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 8, 2008 -> 02:31 PM) It is a horrible trade by the A's if Harden can stay healthy. Problem is, he can't. Gaudin could be pretty good in the NL though either way. I have no idea if Josh Donaldson is any good, but giving up Patterson and Murton shouldn't haunt them, but Gallagher could be a very good pitcher. This trade could go in a lot of different directions, but it seems like an odd trade by Oakland. I wonder if something is wrong with Harden, between this deal and the fact that Harden looked really bad on Sunday. It's a big risk by the Cubs, but I guess when you haven't won in a century you might as well try it. Overall, this is a risk for both teams, but could be looked at as a risk worth taking for both teams. This trade will be proclaimed as the steal of the century by the media, but really it could go either way. I'm very surprised and not sure what I think right now to be honest. Gaudin being involved makes it a bit better for the Cubs (as he should be pretty damn solid in the NL).

I should add, I really really like Gallagher. Just has a nice live arm.

I really like Gallagher. He looks to have a good live arm. Patterson is solid with some potential (whether he makes it or not, who knows, compare him a bit to Richar in that sense). Murton can rake and should fit in nicely in Oakland (and be productive). This move definately makes the Cubs rotation much stronger and a healthy Harden (which you have to ask how realistic is such) makes the Cubs a much improved team. Heck, you can make a case that this is a smarter move than the CC one (as a healthy Harden is arguably as good as CC and would be under the Cubs control for longer than CC is the Brewers). However, one Harden injury (which wouldn't be a shocker) and this could turn into a terrible deal for the Cubs. Gaudin is pretty solid though.

ChiSport: Sweeping Changes By Mario Scalise ChiSPort.com For those of you that hate the Cubs, the Sox success could really have had a significant impact on the NL Central race.

Okay, I put something up on the site temporarily. It obviously makes the site a little more ugly, but if it helps Dye get into the game than its well worth it. Props to Mhizzle for it (stolen from his signature).

Can someone make a Vote Dye Graphic which I can put in the area where the text advertisers are (it will link to the voting spot). Thanks in advance

Added the link into the first post.

QUOTE (watchtower41 @ Jul 8, 2008 -> 01:45 PM) who was May's player of the month?? I assume CQ since he's been up there since late April, but with this site never doing this before, wasn't sure if thie was an every other month type of thing. CQ and Contreras were the May winners

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 8, 2008 -> 01:46 PM) All legit possibilities, but Ozuna might take the assignment and stay with the Sox system too? If he cleared waivers and didn't have any interest than I'm sure he would go down to Charlotte and stick with an organization that likes him and has given him a chance. However, I saw where the Cardinals might be interested and I'm sure at least a few other MLB teams would be willing to give him a MLB job. So why would you stay with the Sox in the minors when you have the opportunity to play on a MLB bench.

I opted to just pin every thread, LOL.

I'm going to un-pin this since the winners appear to be very clear (barring about a 45 vote swing).

Completely agree. Trying to clean it up here.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 7, 2008 -> 10:40 PM) Talk to me in October. No one would have though in July of 05 that JC would be our best starter going into the playoffs that year. Right now Danks is the best pitcher we got but I would guess that if the season ended today you'd be seeing Mark start game 1 of the ALDS. Nope, I would have told you we should have traded his ass for AJ Burnett and the Sox would have never won the world series, LOL.

1st you almost drown, than a car wreck. Is your next article going to be a will, LOL.