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QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 01:25 PM) That is all well and good, but imagine all the good we could have done with a few billion dollars and without spending it on bombs and bullets? There are a lot of countries that could have used our help and we could have said the exact same thing. btw, I think you meant flee But I don't think anything would have done that country good without getting rid of Saddam. That said had I been told they had no weapons of mass destruction I don't think I would have went into Iraq. But we did and now it would be absolutely irrisponsible to cut and run. I still think Saddam had to go though, but if they had no WOMD there probably would have been other ways to do it without going to war. How were we supposed to know our intelligence was bloody awful? We went in and at that point were comitted, imo. We run and we make a big failure bigger. I'd say differently if I thought the vast majority of the people were against what we've done in Iraq but the vast majority (imo) is glad we are there to help and that country is going in the right direction.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 01:21 PM) Cuz he pitched well, maybe? I don't get why everyone sh**s all over him. The guy throws a knuckler that clearly can dance, plus a mid-80s fastball that he doesn't telegraph. If he can keep the knuckler down, like he did this year, he gives you a league average or slightly better pitcher for peanuts. God forbid. A bunch of people are willing to trade 2 starters and live with him in our rotation as a 5th starter. I'm sorry but thats unacceptable to me. We want to win, I can live with breaking in Bmac but breaking in Bmac and Haeger well thats just not a way to win (unless you get lucky). I have no major problem with using him as our LAST guy out of the pen.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 07:07 AM) Maybe, but I am not sure he would have much trade value to be honest. Unless the guy has really sharpened up his deep game, there isn't anything about Chris that is that special in the grand scheme of things. He is a good ball player, but 6 foot PGs who can handle and play defense are a dime a dozen. I'd find a way to acquire Channing Frye. He doesn't seem to be getting a ton of minutes and he could be the final piece to the puzzle, imo. Curry is playing pretty darn well in Isiah's system.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 12:48 PM) I never heard that Wood was part of that Angels trade too... God, are the Orioles stupid... He wasn't. It was Santana/Aybar that was turned down. Which was still an awful move. Wood was absolutely never a part of the Tejada talk.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 12:03 PM) I've already voiced my distain for having a knuckler in a relief role. I dont like walks with men on, and I HATE giving up free stolen bases. Unless Stewart is catching, the runners will all have free bases. And Stewart pretty much never caught for Haeger down in AAA. I don't get why Haeger gets all this love. I think he's real over-rated on this board. I don't mind having him as a plan C if a starter goes down, but I sure as heck don't really think he's be that good in any sort of pivotal roll on this team.

Awesome news, hopefully we can continue to grow and nothing could help out more than by making it back to the playoffs and seeing what happens from there.

Thats what I get by falling asleep and not reading the paper this morning. When I last saw he was winning (of course it wasn't projected) and I made the wrong assumption he won. What a crock...I guess Arnold will still have to do with a mainly democratic sacremento, although he did get a little more help. I can't think of a better candidate for Lt governor than Mcclintock either. Way to reign on my parade Balta, LOL.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 12:33 PM) I like Bush the man, I believe he has made some great picks on the people around him, and think he is a terrible leader. What leadership has he really shown besides the distortions used to justify our invasion of Iraq? What cause has he championed? 9/11 showed what he could be, he was inspirational, comforting, amazing on a pile of rubble with a bullhorn. After that he just hasn't had the fire in his belly. Katrina should have been a turning point that propelled him, and the REP party, all the way to 2008. His efforts sucked. It seems he has let his party drift in the past couple years when they had everything politicians could want, the White House, both houses, a discredited judicial branch, and no one believing the press. What does Bush have to show for it? What does the country have to show for it? To this day I blame the Katrina disaster on the crooked ass, idiocit politicians of Louisiana. Bush could have done a better job but he was the man who got blamed for the local/state politicians being dumb as stone. And in some instances Bush was ready to do things and the local/state people were not ready to make immediate decisions and stalled (which again led to delays in the relief effort). The whole thing was one big fiasco, but than again I say rebuilding an area that can be absolutely destroyed again (especially with the area being so vulnerable with broken levy's everywhere) is stupid as hell. Of course we needed to do something and my idea would have been scoffed at by everyone in New Orleans.

I have quite a few good friends that served in Iraq (a couple being West Point Grads) and than a couple being Army guys (out of high school) and the stories I've heard are all resoundingly positive of how much the people appreciate our army and us. I'm sorry but I refuse to let a vast majority ruin my perception of helping out a country. Albeit its still got a long ways to go and we need to find a way to get Iraq far more involved in there own mess, but stuff doesn't happen over night. We also have some family friends that are from Iraq (they had to flea and lost everything at one point during Saddam's reign) and obviously they are biased but they still have some family over there and they've been back to visit and talk about how much better the country is and how so many people are happy.

I hate Chris Matthews. I like Scarborough but Matthews pretty much has me ignoring all things political on MSNBC since he's always so involved. And I refuse to watch CNN because of Wolf Blitzer and Larry King, so ya its pretty much FoxNews for me. That said when there are good interviews on either of those two channels (or a good panel) I'm more than willing to watch/listen.

QUOTE(juddling @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 12:21 PM) I think quite a few Dems won more on the platform that "they weren't Bush" than any actual issues. (Before anyone jumps on that...it's my OPINION!! I'm entitled to it so be quiet) In the end though, it wasn't even Bush. Had it not been for the Foley fiasco mixed with the Jack Arbenoff (excuse my spelling) fiasco the Repub's may have lost a bit but they would have held the senate for sure and probably the house. That said the democrats (vast majority) that were running had absolutely no platform, but obviously the majority of America was that fed up with what was currently going on that it decided no idea is better than the current one (since the democrats all seem to agree that what we are doing now sucks). Even though I think Bush has done a tremendous job with the economy (especially given the circumstances) and he's also a tremendous leader (but I think most everyone here long knows that I really really like Bush the person).

I think so far the GOP has made all the right moves in day 1 of a much more balanced Washington. Bottom line is if my party of choice doesn't make adjustments we could see serious democratic control starting with the next election. If they are smart they'll be very very willing to work with the democrats and basically go with a plan of letting the dem's dig there own hole (basically if the dem's really have no policy/idea it will really start to show if the repub's are very willing to work with the dem's). Of course if the dem's have some good ideas and they work well than they earned what would probably be a big time mandate in the future elections. However, considering the top leadership of the democratic party I still have my doubts as to if happening (but if it did, I won't have any problems). I just don't want us to cut out on Iraq and let the place go back to the stoneage's. We've done a lot of good there and it would be a travesty to just walk away and let it all go for not. That said I completely believe there should be a detailed plan of how we are going to start getting out of there.

QUOTE(spiderman @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 11:29 AM) Why is Newt a better option that McCain or Rudy ? Because in my mind he is the sharpest politician I've ever heard (Clinton was the smoothest). I really love the idea's he has and I think he'd be an absolutely fantastic president. Like I said, it will never happen. Just like McClintock didn't beat Arnold in the CA race (even though McClintock would have been a far better governor) but McClintock didn't stand a chance at winning either. However, its good to see McClintock and a few other repubs joining Arnold in Sacremento. Our new insurance comissioner is freaking awesome.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 10:06 AM) Barak Obama will be one of the last, if not the last, to announce his canditacy if he indeed does go. He wants to make sure that there is a near groundswell BEGGING him to run, vs him begging other people to pay attention to him. I still think if Hillary runs against Obama she will be unwilling to be anything but the president and the Clintons are real pro's at taking out candidates (they are very politically savvy) and my guess is you could see some serious canabalism amongst the party. Now if Hillary bites her tongue than maybe it would work.

As a repub I'd love for Newt Gingrich to run. I think he's an absolutely brilliant man and politician but I also know he'd stand absolutely no chance at winning, even though I think he'd make an oustanding president. I prefer him over McCain and Rudy.

I would not be a fan of the repubs calling for a recount in VA.

Ya they were all talking about this happening yesterday on Fox News.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 07:57 PM) Final totals Not me, not my other choice 3108 Not me, my other choice 2693 Me, 2585 Last place, 1172 I gotta say, I am proud of how I did. 27.0 percent of the vote in a 4 way race, with basically no financing is nothing to sneeze at. The race was energizing and the experience of a lifetime, dispite the outcome. I learned more about my hometown in a few months than I had in over 30 years of being from here. Once again, Bob, Rog, Matt, Slav, and Palehosefan I owe you guys a ton of thanks for the efforts you guys put in for me with absolutely no connection to Michigan City, and that means a lot to me. Thanks all, and who knows, maybe in another couple of years we will do it all again? Soxtalk is proud of ya Mike. You went out and stood up for something you believed in and did a hell of a job doing it. If you go for it again in a couple years hopefully people will remember your name and you can make an even bigger push.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 07:41 PM) Now that Ms. Pelosi is Speaker, and the world is ALL YOURS, what are you going to do, besides go to Disney Land? I seriously want to know, since most of the platform couldn't be discussed because "Karl Rove would tear it apart". I hope Pelosi goes back to her old ways and becomes a real liberal speaker of the house cause that would be a thing of beauty for the republican party. But ya, I'm convinced they will lose the senate as well which means Bush is just gonna veto pretty much everything but the immigration workers stuff. The sad thing is some good candidates lost because people were voting against Bush, not against the candidates. Sorry but thats stupid to me. You want to hate on Bush fine, but you don't nominate less qualified individuals to run your state because of it (I'm specifically focusing on Maryland). QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 07:45 PM) Nice. I didin't see the Dean crap, I mean, interview. Could you give me the high, er I mean, lowlights? He didn't say much of anything aside from we now need to come up with our plan. Brilliant....they get elected and now get to formulate something. On the bright side a chunk of the dem's that won are pretty conservative dems and I am hoping Pelosi will really drive a wedge between the conservative and liberal dem's (considering the dem's with power are the very liberal ones). It'll also be interesting to see if they kick some of the more moderate and well respected republicans off certain key committees. QUOTE(Reddy @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 07:37 AM) screw joe lieberman. all this s*** w/ montana and virginia wouldnt matter if he hadnt friggin run One of the most respected senators (I respected him when he was a democrat and I respect the hell out of him now) and a man who actually stands behind what he believes. I laugh at you all for throwing him under a bus.

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 8, 2006 -> 05:51 AM) They have their moments. The one in Cancun sucked, but I do like the one here in Chicago. The one out here and in Scottsdale is top notch. Its definately pricey but man the side of au-grautin potatoes is amazing. Oh and in Arizona, a place called Houston...best ribs EVA. It is like 20 bucks for the rack though.

I did call the contract that Garland would take in that thread. Man I'm good, lol.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 02:28 PM) The Padres are pretty desperate for a power hitting corner OF. I think they'll end up with Iwamura (the Japanese 3Bman who was posted) and Sheffield. Dave Roberts already knows he won't be returning to the Pads as well FWIW with either Giles or Barfield to lead-off. I'd be shocked if the Pads got Sheffield back. He had a huge impact in his only year with the Pads and they still moved him onto the Marlins (albeit they got some quality in return) but there was a reason the Pads moved him and the org still has a lot of the same people around that were there than. I still remember the days when Sheff was playing 3rd.

Yes, cause we could always trade him.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 01:40 PM) Does anyone know if because my fever, headache, and overall soreness is gone, that it might be just a bad sore throat or something? That's really the only symptom I'm having, although it's bad enough to the point where It's tough to swallow or eat anything outside of apple sauce and water. If you don't see any improvement in a day I'd think pretty hard about going. I'm assuming you still feel drowsy and all that stuff?

QUOTE(longshot7 @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 11:55 AM) Yeah, my Dems are running some real bad candidates out here this year, so I voted Libertarian for Gov, and for several Repubs as well. I think generally I don't trust people who vote straight ticket, or don't disagree with at least one position that their national party holds. Yet Jerry Brown is most likey going to win. Mainly because the repub candidate is a total dumbarse too. Not as big as Brown but its pretty close. Neither are even remotely deserving of being anywhere near a public office. Brown pretty much ruined the state of California till Pete Wilson stepped in and kicked some ass.