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You make it appear much easier to contract than reality. An individual touching certainly might impact it (if they haven't washed their hands and got actual fluid from their body on their hands). Hands just naturally (on an infected person) aren't just contagious. I get it...be careful and be smart, but I'd also caveat that people can live in sterile safe rooms either (although I recognize you are higher risk and therefor have to take more extreme This. You can't live in a sterile room. Be smart, stay indoors, stay with your family, etc. At the same time, I'm not going to blame someone for sitting at a bench for a few minutes (by themselves) before moving on with their business (say they are going for a walk and need to catch a breath or just sit for a few minutes for their own mental health). They can wash their hands and wash their clothes and keep their hands from their face. Some of the comments here are so harsh to Greg. He's just asking some questions and has views that differ from some of you. It doesn't make him some kind of monster. And no, I'm not partying on the beach nor have I seen anyone other than my wife & kids plus the occasional stop by to my parents house to bring them stuff they need (and when I see my parents...I stay more than 6 feet away from them at all times...as does my wife with her parents). We have one designated individual who does the grocery shopping (me) and I've largely minimized the number of trips I take and when I'm at the store I don't mess with anything. When I'm done I clean my credit card, wallet, and phone. The main thing I'd worry about is your phone...you are going to touch a lot worse things and then grab your phone (vs. the risk from getting it sitting on the park bench).

I will make it very clear. I don't believe any of the China numbers. None of them. There is absolutely no way they didn't get cases all over the country given how many people left Wuhan after the spread had started. Fundamentally impossible. People can talk all you want about smart phones...do you know who controls the internet in China. The GOVT.

Welcome aboard.

I think they will have better data on how to manage the virus by summer time and at that point, they'll play, but with no fans, possibly to your point, we might have each sport play an almost entire season (if not whole season) without fans. That said, ratings will be HUUUGE.

I would suspect a lot could potentially change between now and the time where they go through hiring, etc? Or am I off basis and just overly optimistic? Either way, for your own sake I'm hoping that is the case (and that you end up getting surprised with good news before your effective termination date).

I have no doubt California is going to stay the course.

Davis is a chucker. Anyone that watches the Lakers regularly realizes how overrated Davis is. If Davis was so good, he would have done something with the Pelicans. Lebron is a beast and just playing stellar, but Giannis is definitely the front runner (or should be).

I am not saying that is my proposal but to ignore the fact that the discussions I outlay aren't taking place and being looked at by the advanced medical community would be absurd . Even you are posting articles indicating potential likelihood that this likely is a 2 year journey and very well might still get to the point where all of the above happens (but just in a different timing and sequence). Everything isn't as black and white as any of us would like. By the way. My personal view is we should have locked everything down 2 weeks ago and I personally have been doing exactly that. The problem is, the longer we play in between, I think we end up with the worse possible outcome. I think as a society we should just hit the pause button across the globe, with exception of truly essential processes, and knock the shit out of this entire bug. Than just aggressively test and manage but you can do it with precision (i.e,. if my neighborhood/city was impacted...we'd quickly be isolated for a bit until it was put out). And after this...lets all be a lot smarter cause for worse things than COVID could hit us and this just proves how not ready we are for a global pandemic. I also think there is a lot of data people likely need to better understand out of China, Italy, Spain, US etc. Right now inferences and educated hypothesis are being made. To assume otherwise is not realistic. And I don't believe a lot of reports on the counts (at all). The only report I believe is Deaths/Hospitalizations. Its the one data point you really can't fake. In fact, I would go as far as to say only good news could come up in terms of counts, because the only direction they could be off is if the historical bad flu that was being experienced this year across the globe (not necessarily in deaths, but in volumes) was being over-reported as the flu.

My point is, you are talking about hundreds of thousands of deaths because of this (or maybe more, I don't know), but 9M people globally die of starvation each year (not sure how true that stat is as I didn't do a deep dive...just a quick google popped that up). My fundamental point is, every single day the entire world is already making those types of choices (cruel or not...that is the reality) and there is a finite amount of resources in the world...the question is are we as efficient in how we leverage those resources to get the absolute best bang for our buck on social wellness, etc. I'm not arguing one for another, but lets not pretend that these conversations are as easy and cut and dry as everyone on a message board or various talking heads make them to be. What if we did end up in a great depression as a result of this. Would the impacts of poverty and long term depression counter the decisions made today. Those are all things that I'm thankful I don't have to decide upon, but lets be real, those making the decisions at the top need to consider each scenario and ultimately pick what they believe is right. And I won't lie, this is the exact situation (where a leader at the top has to make a difficult decision, one in which both answers aren't good...he's basically forced to pick the best of multiple bad situations) which drove me to completely abandon my party 3 years ago. By and large, I'm a believer that politicians don't do a damn thing and they are generally worthless and despicable (and that goes for both sides of the aisle) who are only out for themselves. There are exceptions to this, but in general, our country is going to be great because of the strength of our people and the free will society we live in. The exception to this rule to me is in situations of epic disaster and that is when leadership matters most and well, the scary part is, as far as I'm concerned, we have an individual who has absolutely no leadership and unifying capabilities at all and is too easily swayed by the latest talking pundit he sees on foxnews (who say what they do...not because they believe in it...but because those absurd things drive ratings). As trump moved crazier...so did many talking heads...and I guarantee the biggest reason they did was because it drove ratings and fattened their pockets. I also go back, I am fairly certain that not any of us have anywhere near all of the facts the people close to the vest are using to drive these decisions so we are all making to some extent wild ass guesses, but the alarming part is is, we have individuals (Fauci for example) who have worked in various regimes who are extremely well respected and who will focus purely on data (vs. party affiliation) who apparently seem to be pushed aside as of late.

So I have a controversial topic for the group, that will likely irritate many on here, but I'm going to ask it anyway (and I personally don't know my answer but I'm also glad I'm not an individual who has to debate what is the best decision for the ultimate greater good). But what would ultimately do the country the greatest good...the massive stimulus package put out as we hunker down and shelter in place while waiting for a vaccine (and potentially repeatedly do this over the course of the next 12-18 months) or going forward as is, while putting a heavy requirement on more at-risk groups to self-quarantine (and obviously that also means those who know those at-risk members, also need to do their part in distancing) and instead investing all of that money to address/tackle other large fundamental challenges (leave that up to the group).

Honestly...if these couple reports were right...it really would be tremendous. Not tremendous in the sense that we still have people who obviously are very negatively impacted by the disease, but positive that mortality rates & hospital rates would be dramatically worse. You still have general health concerns (as evidenced by Italy where they just don't have the equipment) but much more manegable if that was already a deep infection / near peak season (vs. 1% of the population infected).

Agree with you tex.

Yeah - I don't see it either.

We can do this. A handful of weeks of shutdown, continue to manufacture resiratores, masks, tests, etc, to ensure mass testing in place and than we can at least be better prepared to manage through it with a plan for isolated shutdowns where appropriate until we get to a vaccine. Its manageable and not utterly disruptive.

This makes zero sense. We are going to ignore all science.

Yes - This would be much simpler and makes far more sense.

I thought you were referring to his statement like two days ago about the one drug. I was purely responding to that isolated exchange. Don’t disagree with anything you are saying here.

I’m not going to go there but I didn’t think he was attacking the dr. I’ve seen trump attack..he does it all the time. This was tame relative to his usual ways. I hate to even say this because I am not a trump apologist. I Didn’t vote for him and I can’t stand him.

Leadership is not our commander in chief's strong suit. Stonewalling people and being a miserable person who grinds people into things...that is more his suit/style. And its tough during a time like this. He's made matters worse as has all of the current modern day politics in general. Sucks that we are currently beyond the days where an individual could actually vote across the aisle without being completely butchered in public.

I Think they will play the game (just without fans). I would be surprised if there weren't actions taken at some point to allow the teams to play. We'll know a lot more about how the virus impacts people and age demograhpics, etc, to where they can start taking calculated risks for certain activities (based upon known data). What might happen though is select coaches/players are unable to come back / need to take extended hiatus because they are higher risk.

Hopefully it stays dormant in China. That is going to be the big thing to see....how long does this stay down for.

Pretty slippery slope. Part of the job of the leader is to provide hope to people. I wasn't a big fan of what he said, but when I read some of the posts on here around what he said about the drug, well, it sounds a lot worse than what was actually said. I'm not the president's biggest fan (far from it), but I said long ago that people pointed so many fingers his way, that at some point, it forced the other side to just dig in and no listen to anything. Boy who cried wolf mentality and it was bad. Reality is we are all dealt this cards and the more we can come together as people and a community through this, the better. In fact, I've been shocked about how few people where I live have actually been talking politics at all through this (and while I live in CA, I still live in an area that is very mixed, with a slight lean towards red). CA's governor has largely stayed away from pointing fingers at others and just focused on doing what he thinks is in the best interest of California (its been refreshing). I'm sure I've missed somewhere that he's pointed the blame but I haven't seen it front and center on any local news program/article I've read.

Awesome news (on 1st steps). Yeah - Today, I went on a bikeride with the kids during lunch. First time I've ever done that in my career.

We need a strong fed response to just lock stuff down for 4-8 weeks (vs. every state tackling this differently). Lets beat this and beat it together. After that, we might need to do more quarantining of those at risk people, but at least we can get things to manageable levels, imo. It also gets us into the summer time-frame, where hospitals will free up (since seasonal flu will be gone) and at a point in time where it appears (scientifically) that we would see reduced transmission (given the heat of summer and increased humidity).

For anyone working at home, I can tell you what I did over the weekend and it gave me a lot more normalcy going to work today. I created some space in my garage and set-up a small desk with my old computer monitor (I haven't had a computer at my house in 10+ years..just rely on my work laptop) and just doing that made things feel far more normal today. I get to go to a separate place to work, with a more comfortable chair and get to look at a decent size screen (vs. purely off a laptop). Best part is, I can open my garage for a little Vitamin D. I also set-up a small table so one of my kids can do some work out here with me and when they get some fresh air in front of our house, they can also play while I'm working. Over the weekend, we went on some runs/bike-rides (away from people) and have just tried to prioritize our time together. I have no idea what will happen in the short-to-medium turn, but want to make sure I take joy in the small moments cause who knows what else will pop up. Been doing PE classes with kids too (to help all of us stay in shape). I guess my advice to all is, despite all the unknown and craziness, make sure you find ways to take joy in the little things (or at least try to). I also have talked to my neighbors (albeit from a distance) more than I ever had before, just reminding them / letting them know if they need anything, to let us know (and vice versa). Anything anyone else in here is doing with their kids, to keep them focused on school and just balance the whole working from home and caring for the kids.