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Not apologizing for anything. You can't just magically find a new QB. Doesn't work that way...so you better do what you can to try and fix this QB (right now). After the season, they can go down a different path, but right now, their past path forward is trying to correct their current guy, one who wasn't so bad last year. I have never argued Mitch is destined to be a top 3 QB, but I would have been hard pressed to find anyone at the end of last season projecting him to be this bad. What happened between now and than, I don't know, but Mitch absolutely is part of the problem right now...but he could also be part of the solution (as I still believe he has more upside than Daniels and never thought he had a lower floor than Daniels but right now...who knows). The dude is broke out there (I've said that on multiple occasions but you can go ahead and ignore it since you like to troll for one answer).

I have blamed Mitch too. I think it falls equally on both and there are also other players. We'll see how they respond and if they can fix it. The good news is they are 3-3 and thus have time. They have a tough schedule and a difficult NFL north, however, the Bears next 3 opponents (Charges, Lions & Eagles) are in about the same place the Bears are in. In fact, the Chargers & Eagles have had even more disastrous starts than the Bears (and they had high aspirations as well). All of these teams are going to see if they can flip a switch and get things figured out...but right now...the Bears season (and Mitch Trubisky's career) is officially at a crossroads.

Oh and don't get me started on 7 carries, one of which was an RPO and one of which was a run to Miller who fumbled. The RPO was flat garbage since everyone on the planet would know that the Bears aren't going to have Mitch on like the 2nd play of the game keep the ball and have his shoulder crushed. That would have been purely brilliant.

But when everything is going bad...having a game where you lose 2 fumbles and have a punt blocked for a safety...it doesn't do much to give you a ton of confidence/create momentum.

I still go back to the point, right now, the fastest way to fix it, is to fix that QB. He isn't too far gone where this has been a 3 year issue. This looks like a guy who has lost his confidence and swagger and needing to find ways to get it back so he can play fast. Usually an offense can go to things that it does well to get someone back on track, but I don't know what this offense does well. They literally have minimal ability to do simple plays, especially since they can't run the football and have heaping garbage at TE (two things which are a young QB's best asset).

Very true. I also thought it was nice to see Shaheen, Miller, and Wims get in on the garbage action.

Probably true...I just noticed him playing a little different. He looked to be playing a bit faster...that is all. But I always like to find a glimmer of hope in anything. The reality is, I see a crap offense with a QB who is extremely timid to make a decision.

Like I said, I was watching a player who looks like he has been coached into a robot. Part of that is on Mitch but I think part of this is on how they are coaching him. I really think they have been putting too much on a young QB. The exact definition of what Nagy was doing was putting him in a position where he had to take forever to process vs. play fast. It is the counter of what some of the up and coming offenses have been doing with their young QB's. The whole reason we've seen more young QB's excel is OC's are simplifying playbook and doing things to help them play "fast". From Mcvay to Reid to Harbaugh to O'Brien. Nagy eventually got it right last year (after an awful first few weeks). I'm not sure whether he'll get it right this year. The big challenge with young QB's is when teams start to get more advanced and more and more game film is out there on them and their offenses, how well can you do when you have to start reading faster and doing more complex things. It isn't as if Watson has been stellar all season. He's had some pretty bad games and has been very turnover prone...but he's also had some absolutely electric games. Mitch looks like a broken QB who has zero momentum and/or confidence.

There were quite a few plays yesterday, where literally it looks like Mitch had only one option to go with the other wideouts literally being decoys. When the other team defended the screen he was basically left with pure squat. It goes back to how weak I think the scheme is right now (to go with mediocre to bad QB play and a non-existent running game).

I haven't seen a ton of spying on him. Right now, I think with his injury, it is pretty clear that he doesn't want to get it and is trying to get rid of the football. In fact, there were a few times where it looked like he wanted to make a play but that harness prevented him from making an awkward throw. You could clearly see though he was favoring it on rushes and/or when he was going to get hit. I don't think it really impacted his accuracy though. An optimist would say the momentum they gained during the prevent defense (final 2 TD drives) could be one of those things that the offense carries forward against the Chargers. The flipside of that is, they still looked like an offense that just struggled to make plays. The offensive design just looks meh. You have a QB who isn't a great pure pocket passer, being asked to be a pure pocket passer, being fed a 201/301 view of the offense (vs. a more simplified view..since what McVay did for Goff 1st couple years), and zero rushing attack to help with play action, etc. Like I said, a lot of issues and a chunk falls on the oline, RB, TE, as well as the whole coaching staff and QB.

I think the first year...it was the reason...probably became less so the longer he spent out of football. I also think he had demonstrated he probably wasn't an upper echelon starter and was more likely a middle of the pack QB to a top notch back-up QB. How willing you are to deal with the PR headaches from that sort of player change your perceived view of that player.

This. I have heard a few NFL analysts who have absolutely blasted the Bears X's and O's this season. These are people who have also said the QB has been an issue but the bigger issue is the scheme and guys not getting open, etc. There are a lot of fingers to go around and I was not happy with how this team came out of a bye week. This was on par with some of Trestman's worse games and was probably one of my most disappointing Bears games as a fan (expectation vs. reality). We were 3 point favorites and got clocked. This is right up there with those couple blowout games against Trestman as well as that Eagles/Bears game last in the season where we got crushed (with a chance to clinch a post-season birth). All that said...this is a tipping point and Nagy certainly could be capable of fixing it. I wonder if he needs to step away from the play calling a bit and/or make a move to give Childress a bit more control. Pagano needs to look closely and figure out what he needs to do different as well. One thing for certain, if I were going to make a trade (and as everyone on this board knows...I'm not big on trading away future picks), I would be targeting a TE who could be counted on.

He also hasn't played football in years. I think it would be pretty hard to sign him mid-season and expect anything from him.

Miller has major issues. It isn't a QB thing. He is all over the place on routes and is always throwing his hands up the air like a diva (its one thing if you are a regular 1000 yard receiver to be a diva, another, when you haven't done that). Miller is a major issue and Mitch being QB isn't why this offense is as futile as it is running the football. Miller was seriously impacted by his off-season injuries and an inability to get as many practice reps as he clearly needed a lot of work on refining his routes and building chemistry with his QB's.

Dumping Mitch now would be a huge mistake. He has played like ass, but he still has talent and the Bears coaching staff needs to do everything to get him right. There best and quickest path forward is with Mitch. They can reevaluate that decision in the off-season and bring in a veteran who can contend for the job (whether that is Matt Ryan or Andy Dalton or Marcus Marriotta).

All I had to do was watch Latavius Murray run to realize our RB's are part of the problem too. Murray hit the whole aggressive each time and than found cut back lanes. It was night and day vs. our RB's (Cohen & Montgomery). The same was evident with Jones on the Raiders. The speed and authority to which they hit the hole was huge and they were moving the D forward all day. The line has to improve...but the RB's are also part of the problem, imo (or at least there style doesn't fit what the Bears are trying to do). Cohen looks like a shell of his former self. Even when he gets in space I don't see him making guys miss or anything. He just doesn't look as electric and he's a guy who needs to be super electric given how freaking small he is.

The offense looks like Trestman in year 2. It looks like utter vanilla crap and that the whole league knows exactly what the Bears are going to do. Yes, blame is on Trubisky too and I won't ignore that. He missed some open guys in the 1st half and just looks like a broken QB right now. He's also the quickest way to turn things around as well (as I still believe he has talent...albeit, dude looks broke and I don't know if they will be able to fix him or not). Hard when you hand the ball off 7 times for like no rushing yards and have 2 lost fumbles on those 7 carries.

This is clearly a key point in Nagy's tenure. This is about as tough as it can get from a coach. You have a defense that is going to point blame at the offense (partially deservingly) and you have major issues against a team I truly believe and expected the Bears to beat handily. I also say a lot of blame has to lie squarely on the coaching staff (offensive & defensive) and clearly blame is on the QB's shoulders, because you are the QB...period. Right now the QB looks like he isn't playing football...he looks like he's so freaking tight on the field. No fun...no improvisation...just very slow decision making. Looks like they completely turned him into a robot (and I think that is on the QB and coaching staff too).

This is probably the truest statement. His offense just isn’t good right now. I will hope somehow everyone benefits from those last two empty tds and it somehow gives them some confidence and swagger heading into Charger game.

At least Bulls didn't play as many preseason games as some teams.

Exciting!

I really think the Rams are too aggressive in how much they give up draft capital. I appreciate their aggressiveness, but we all know my views on draft capital. I think you want to stockpile enough, so you can operate from a position of strength and capitalize where appropriate (when it comes to selling & buying) picks. I applaud the Jags for being able to get 2 1st round picks.

His stuff is absolutely phenomenal. I'll take either one and roll the dice. Both could have their arms fall off, but I like Stephen's build just a bit better. If I had to pick of the two, I'd probably take whomever was willing to take less years, but I'm agnostic in general. If I were in charge of the Sox, I'd go heavy for one of Cole/Stras as I think they need a true TOR arm and I'd also look hard at JDM/Rendon on offense.

So my outlandish Bulls prediction for the season is that Zach Lavine will be an all star and viewed as a top 3 SG in the NBA by seasons end. My negative prediction is that Lauri goes the opposite path and doesn't show development and ends up being a middling player. Hope I am right on Lavine and wrong on Lauri (who as a player / dude I like a lot...I want to see big steps forward cause he has a ton of skills...need to see every part of his game get a little better). I'm becoming more excited about White.

I think they just need to go with the league having a review suite with specialized people covering all the games and they can swoop down and correct a play where appropriate (kind of on the fly). Basically, take the fans view of what is being reviewed & discussed out of the game and leave it to a black box. I think it allows the game to be played faster and a coach, if they feel strongly, essentially calls a timeout to ensure more time for the league to review it. Basically than you give far more flexibility to the league to get things right, where something is clear & obvious. For example, most of the time, I don't think you'd review a hands to the face...in this case, you'd take a quick look live and boom...correction. No need to throw a review flag or for the refs to come off the field, etc. Stick with booth review on all scoring plays & turnovers as well (so you know those get looked at no matter what...given the level of importance) and everything else is done to the camera in the sky.