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My point is, you are talking about hundreds of thousands of deaths because of this (or maybe more, I don't know), but 9M people globally die of starvation each year (not sure how true that stat is as I didn't do a deep dive...just a quick google popped that up). My fundamental point is, every single day the entire world is already making those types of choices (cruel or not...that is the reality) and there is a finite amount of resources in the world...the question is are we as efficient in how we leverage those resources to get the absolute best bang for our buck on social wellness, etc. I'm not arguing one for another, but lets not pretend that these conversations are as easy and cut and dry as everyone on a message board or various talking heads make them to be. What if we did end up in a great depression as a result of this. Would the impacts of poverty and long term depression counter the decisions made today. Those are all things that I'm thankful I don't have to decide upon, but lets be real, those making the decisions at the top need to consider each scenario and ultimately pick what they believe is right. And I won't lie, this is the exact situation (where a leader at the top has to make a difficult decision, one in which both answers aren't good...he's basically forced to pick the best of multiple bad situations) which drove me to completely abandon my party 3 years ago. By and large, I'm a believer that politicians don't do a damn thing and they are generally worthless and despicable (and that goes for both sides of the aisle) who are only out for themselves. There are exceptions to this, but in general, our country is going to be great because of the strength of our people and the free will society we live in. The exception to this rule to me is in situations of epic disaster and that is when leadership matters most and well, the scary part is, as far as I'm concerned, we have an individual who has absolutely no leadership and unifying capabilities at all and is too easily swayed by the latest talking pundit he sees on foxnews (who say what they do...not because they believe in it...but because those absurd things drive ratings). As trump moved crazier...so did many talking heads...and I guarantee the biggest reason they did was because it drove ratings and fattened their pockets. I also go back, I am fairly certain that not any of us have anywhere near all of the facts the people close to the vest are using to drive these decisions so we are all making to some extent wild ass guesses, but the alarming part is is, we have individuals (Fauci for example) who have worked in various regimes who are extremely well respected and who will focus purely on data (vs. party affiliation) who apparently seem to be pushed aside as of late.

So I have a controversial topic for the group, that will likely irritate many on here, but I'm going to ask it anyway (and I personally don't know my answer but I'm also glad I'm not an individual who has to debate what is the best decision for the ultimate greater good). But what would ultimately do the country the greatest good...the massive stimulus package put out as we hunker down and shelter in place while waiting for a vaccine (and potentially repeatedly do this over the course of the next 12-18 months) or going forward as is, while putting a heavy requirement on more at-risk groups to self-quarantine (and obviously that also means those who know those at-risk members, also need to do their part in distancing) and instead investing all of that money to address/tackle other large fundamental challenges (leave that up to the group).

Honestly...if these couple reports were right...it really would be tremendous. Not tremendous in the sense that we still have people who obviously are very negatively impacted by the disease, but positive that mortality rates & hospital rates would be dramatically worse. You still have general health concerns (as evidenced by Italy where they just don't have the equipment) but much more manegable if that was already a deep infection / near peak season (vs. 1% of the population infected).

Agree with you tex.

Yeah - I don't see it either.

We can do this. A handful of weeks of shutdown, continue to manufacture resiratores, masks, tests, etc, to ensure mass testing in place and than we can at least be better prepared to manage through it with a plan for isolated shutdowns where appropriate until we get to a vaccine. Its manageable and not utterly disruptive.

This makes zero sense. We are going to ignore all science.

Yes - This would be much simpler and makes far more sense.

I thought you were referring to his statement like two days ago about the one drug. I was purely responding to that isolated exchange. Don’t disagree with anything you are saying here.

I’m not going to go there but I didn’t think he was attacking the dr. I’ve seen trump attack..he does it all the time. This was tame relative to his usual ways. I hate to even say this because I am not a trump apologist. I Didn’t vote for him and I can’t stand him.

Leadership is not our commander in chief's strong suit. Stonewalling people and being a miserable person who grinds people into things...that is more his suit/style. And its tough during a time like this. He's made matters worse as has all of the current modern day politics in general. Sucks that we are currently beyond the days where an individual could actually vote across the aisle without being completely butchered in public.

I Think they will play the game (just without fans). I would be surprised if there weren't actions taken at some point to allow the teams to play. We'll know a lot more about how the virus impacts people and age demograhpics, etc, to where they can start taking calculated risks for certain activities (based upon known data). What might happen though is select coaches/players are unable to come back / need to take extended hiatus because they are higher risk.

Hopefully it stays dormant in China. That is going to be the big thing to see....how long does this stay down for.

Pretty slippery slope. Part of the job of the leader is to provide hope to people. I wasn't a big fan of what he said, but when I read some of the posts on here around what he said about the drug, well, it sounds a lot worse than what was actually said. I'm not the president's biggest fan (far from it), but I said long ago that people pointed so many fingers his way, that at some point, it forced the other side to just dig in and no listen to anything. Boy who cried wolf mentality and it was bad. Reality is we are all dealt this cards and the more we can come together as people and a community through this, the better. In fact, I've been shocked about how few people where I live have actually been talking politics at all through this (and while I live in CA, I still live in an area that is very mixed, with a slight lean towards red). CA's governor has largely stayed away from pointing fingers at others and just focused on doing what he thinks is in the best interest of California (its been refreshing). I'm sure I've missed somewhere that he's pointed the blame but I haven't seen it front and center on any local news program/article I've read.

Awesome news (on 1st steps). Yeah - Today, I went on a bikeride with the kids during lunch. First time I've ever done that in my career.

We need a strong fed response to just lock stuff down for 4-8 weeks (vs. every state tackling this differently). Lets beat this and beat it together. After that, we might need to do more quarantining of those at risk people, but at least we can get things to manageable levels, imo. It also gets us into the summer time-frame, where hospitals will free up (since seasonal flu will be gone) and at a point in time where it appears (scientifically) that we would see reduced transmission (given the heat of summer and increased humidity).

For anyone working at home, I can tell you what I did over the weekend and it gave me a lot more normalcy going to work today. I created some space in my garage and set-up a small desk with my old computer monitor (I haven't had a computer at my house in 10+ years..just rely on my work laptop) and just doing that made things feel far more normal today. I get to go to a separate place to work, with a more comfortable chair and get to look at a decent size screen (vs. purely off a laptop). Best part is, I can open my garage for a little Vitamin D. I also set-up a small table so one of my kids can do some work out here with me and when they get some fresh air in front of our house, they can also play while I'm working. Over the weekend, we went on some runs/bike-rides (away from people) and have just tried to prioritize our time together. I have no idea what will happen in the short-to-medium turn, but want to make sure I take joy in the small moments cause who knows what else will pop up. Been doing PE classes with kids too (to help all of us stay in shape). I guess my advice to all is, despite all the unknown and craziness, make sure you find ways to take joy in the little things (or at least try to). I also have talked to my neighbors (albeit from a distance) more than I ever had before, just reminding them / letting them know if they need anything, to let us know (and vice versa). Anything anyone else in here is doing with their kids, to keep them focused on school and just balance the whole working from home and caring for the kids.

Separate question - Why are domestic airports still open? I get a rare exception where people need to fly for medical or very unique circumstances.

WE CAN DO THIS PEOPLE. WE WILL SURVIVE IT AND WE WILL GET THROUGH IT AND WE WILL THRIVE WHEN WE GET PAST THIS. In the meantime, we need to make sacrifices to get through this faster than not. Every one of us can control and do that.

Forman out. Not officially...but unofficially (until the NBA season ends). https://chicago.suntimes.com/bulls/2020/3/18/21185570/bulls-gm-gar-forman-slow-rise-power-slower-demise

He had said on multiple occasions he wanted to play with Mitch (I think they knew each other from college).

This is horrific. Ebron is better than Jimmy Graham and is going to be cheaper. This was a HUGE miss on Pace's fault. Not that we should be shocked given his ability to evaluate the position.

Girley is very good when healthy. Rams didn't trust his health but Girley had some solid games when they actually gave him the rock. Good hands too. I'd take anything that gave the Bears a real running game, especially since Montgomery is as vanilla as it gets. Nothing special about him (nice guy...but dime a dozen back). I don't think Bears have cap space. I was bummed...I was really hoping we'd land Cam...get lucky and he'd actually be healthy. Chargers have to get Cam, which could be a coup. IF the dude is healthy, he's still an elite player.

I don't love the move (mainly because they gave up a draft pick). But I can at least appreciate the fact that they haven't mortgaged a ton in the future and are at least now positioned to move away if they truly think the QB is getting in the way. Foles isn't great, but he is good enough to show us whether we have bigger issues or not and he certainly has shown he's good enough to win some big games, when surrounded with the right pieces. Ideally Mitch steps up and crushes it with the newfound competition (vs. wilts away). Either way, I expect a real competition, although I would suspect Mitch has a slight headstart and best case is obviously Mitch using this as FIRE to get better. Defense is going to be more disrupt if Quinn plays anywhere near as good as he did last year (dude flat out got after the QB and that should make Mack more dangerous). I don't love the off-season but I'll at least give Pace credit for being bold. I sure hope we don't trade up and that we can finally enter next year with all of our picks (it also looks like the Bears are in position to get a few compensatory picks). Don't love the Graham signing but TE is such an issue. Ideally Burton is healthy (he's solid if he is) and if so, that means Bears have at least depth at the position. They still need to find a young TE whom they can actually groom. Did Ebron sign yet? I still would have preferred him given the fact that he's young and still has upside (vs. Graham). At least none of these 3 moves have major implications on the LT cap (since all pretty much can be erased in 1-2 years without any major dead capspace).

this is what annoys me. no need to give up draft capital.