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And Newsome was historically vicious to Trump. Fact is he bucked up and did something and the president responded kindly as well. Takes two to tango. It isn't like the president responded with, its about time you figured out how amazing I am. Instead, he actually flashed back and commended the job a Democratic governor was doing. Geeze - I wonder what would happen if more politicians behaved this way (Trump and all parties included). I guarantee we'd see a lot more progress than the current state of affairs.

And like I said...someone needs to break the vicious cycle and stop PRETENDING that this is a one sided conversation. Both sides continue to do this...PERIOD. So thank god someone was finally a grownup and acted kindly and wow, the president acted kindly in response. Could we actually try to do this more? God that would be a fucking great outcome of this entire mess. None of us would allow our children to do what either side of the aisle does in this day and age. None of us. Politicians need a reminder of the golden rules and we need to start voting more that way (vs. focusing on absolutisms).

No - It is just people need to ignore the politics. Who the F cares who started what. When people are doing, get over it. Trump playing nicely with California actually shows he can do it too. The problem is too many are completely using this for their own political gain and it pisses him off (and I'm not justifying him in the equation...and he should cut through it all and if he did he'd probably be a shoe-in for re-election). But it is why I have so much issue with the current state of affairs, such a vast minority look through things with anything other than their specific color classes. Everyone needs to shut the fuck up about politics and focus entirely on the serious matters at hand. Period. This is coming from someone who can't stand either party most of the time at this point. But I do think the fact that the president can play nice with the most liberal state in the union is a positive (and i hope it continues). As I said earlier, I really admire the job Newsome has done thus far during the crisis.

I said it before and I hope this doesn't blow up in my face, but take notes at how Newsome (CA's governor) has stayed away from taking pot shots at the president and has instead focused on flat out working together with the federal government. Pissing contest be damn, none of it matters when discussing all of the lives at risk and through it, he has actually been relatively complimentary of the president (maybe because he's smart enough to recognize the fact that it is better to put differences aside and focus entirely on doing the best you can to tackle the situation at hand - period). Ignore the mudslinging (even if the pres wants to). Be the bigger and better person for the sake of your state and the country.

RIP Farmio. A legend.

Maybe has something to do with the fact that there aren't physicals really being done?

This sucks - Very sorry to hear about that Josh.

I think end of April to end of May is probably a realistic timeframe. Gives right amount of hope but also allows flexibility to clamp down where necessary and drag on where appropriate.

They believe because it doesn’t mutate a lot that any vaccine / recovery would likely be a longer immunity vs your normal flu. Obviously lots of assumptions being made due to how rapidly this has evolved but they are tracking a variety of strains and note the mutations are minor and slow moving (this is positive because it means a vaccine is more effective and likely easier to get and any immunity would likely last longer too.

Why is Cuomo so amazing. He dropped the ball completely at the start of the outbreak. He's obviously made progress since than, but some of his comments probably contributed to more cases and the outbreak in NY being worse. Hopefully we start to see the NY curve flatten soon.

I am not stating anything around not tackling it and taking it seriously, but I also think everyone needs perspective. Nowhere am I stating that we should not be acting and being aggressive on it. I won't compare to certain things but we can't pretend that leaders and people in charge of the world, can't put a price on a life, cause you know what, they do. If they didn't, they wouldn't ever go to war or let us ever eat sugar or drink a beer, etc. We wouldn't allow people to die of starvation or anything else. We'd all be forced to eat vegetables and chicken/fish for all our meals. We need to take this serious and should, but I also think we need to manage overall panic in the equation. I'm not a believer that mass panic is a good thing. We push this too far in the scale and have everyone terrified for their lives and we will make how we respond to COVID worse than the actual virus. We'll have riots on the street, people robbing each other for things, and far worse I'm sure (especially as people respond to some form of Martial Law. We should invest in the respirators and have the best, most efficient testing system on the planet. And we are going to need to aggressively test until this thing has been beat to a bulp (and live with more regional shelter in place scenarios that pop up while they work on getting a treatment). And if we are going to get a treatment, it won't be from that Malaria drug. Everything I've seen indicates that drug is absolute vapor ware.

Happy Anniversary!!! Hopefully we get some baseball to talk about soon enough

That is the bigger issue. Spend the $1B to get enough respirators and figure out ways to be ready with makeshift hospitals so we can do the best to tackle this while also being focused on curbing the spread.

Well said Badger

For perspective, 1700 people die a day of heart disease and 1670 people die from cancer per day in the US. And those numbers will be there in 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, etc. I'm not trying to make light of everything, but I truly wonder, what would a $2 trillion stimulus targeted at cancer or heart disease eradication do? And I recognize billions are spent on those items each year by doctors, medical researches, pharmaceutical companies, etc. We are going to beat this, but you are also right, numbers are going to get a bit ugly and it would be nice if we got our schtick together as a country and truly implemented a real lockdown. Annoys the piss out of me that my state can be doing a ton right, yet all that right could be countered by other knucklehead states (same can be said for different people). But I'm also a big believer in perspective. You also will not ever see me throw out a stat comparing this to the flu....this is clearly worse than the flu. There isn't a statistic that says otherwise and the flu infects somewhere around 10-40M people each year, despite the fact that we have a vaccine for it (i.e., flu shot). CoronaVirus is something we have no vaccine for and our bodies thus have minimal built up resistance to it and thus one would suspect the number infected (if you did nothing) would be worse than the CoronaVirus. One other data point people might find interesting is that 90%+ of the deaths in Italy were from individuals with comorbidities (meaning had high risk), however, of that population, a high percentage only had one Comoborbidity (hypertension). Think about that for a second...cause I have to imagine the US has a higher % of hypertension vs. Italy.

Are you saying a family (like 1 family) and there kids were on their front porch and the kids were playing together? Are you implying I should have each of my kids locked up in their own rooms, completely isolated from each other?

Dude - Get off your schtick. Who cares what he wants to call it. If people feel better by calling what they are doing (staying away from people) a sacrifice, drives more accountability, than so be it. Nothing wrong with it.

You make it appear much easier to contract than reality. An individual touching certainly might impact it (if they haven't washed their hands and got actual fluid from their body on their hands). Hands just naturally (on an infected person) aren't just contagious. I get it...be careful and be smart, but I'd also caveat that people can live in sterile safe rooms either (although I recognize you are higher risk and therefor have to take more extreme This. You can't live in a sterile room. Be smart, stay indoors, stay with your family, etc. At the same time, I'm not going to blame someone for sitting at a bench for a few minutes (by themselves) before moving on with their business (say they are going for a walk and need to catch a breath or just sit for a few minutes for their own mental health). They can wash their hands and wash their clothes and keep their hands from their face. Some of the comments here are so harsh to Greg. He's just asking some questions and has views that differ from some of you. It doesn't make him some kind of monster. And no, I'm not partying on the beach nor have I seen anyone other than my wife & kids plus the occasional stop by to my parents house to bring them stuff they need (and when I see my parents...I stay more than 6 feet away from them at all times...as does my wife with her parents). We have one designated individual who does the grocery shopping (me) and I've largely minimized the number of trips I take and when I'm at the store I don't mess with anything. When I'm done I clean my credit card, wallet, and phone. The main thing I'd worry about is your phone...you are going to touch a lot worse things and then grab your phone (vs. the risk from getting it sitting on the park bench).

I will make it very clear. I don't believe any of the China numbers. None of them. There is absolutely no way they didn't get cases all over the country given how many people left Wuhan after the spread had started. Fundamentally impossible. People can talk all you want about smart phones...do you know who controls the internet in China. The GOVT.

Welcome aboard.

I think they will have better data on how to manage the virus by summer time and at that point, they'll play, but with no fans, possibly to your point, we might have each sport play an almost entire season (if not whole season) without fans. That said, ratings will be HUUUGE.

I would suspect a lot could potentially change between now and the time where they go through hiring, etc? Or am I off basis and just overly optimistic? Either way, for your own sake I'm hoping that is the case (and that you end up getting surprised with good news before your effective termination date).

I have no doubt California is going to stay the course.

Davis is a chucker. Anyone that watches the Lakers regularly realizes how overrated Davis is. If Davis was so good, he would have done something with the Pelicans. Lebron is a beast and just playing stellar, but Giannis is definitely the front runner (or should be).

I am not saying that is my proposal but to ignore the fact that the discussions I outlay aren't taking place and being looked at by the advanced medical community would be absurd . Even you are posting articles indicating potential likelihood that this likely is a 2 year journey and very well might still get to the point where all of the above happens (but just in a different timing and sequence). Everything isn't as black and white as any of us would like. By the way. My personal view is we should have locked everything down 2 weeks ago and I personally have been doing exactly that. The problem is, the longer we play in between, I think we end up with the worse possible outcome. I think as a society we should just hit the pause button across the globe, with exception of truly essential processes, and knock the shit out of this entire bug. Than just aggressively test and manage but you can do it with precision (i.e,. if my neighborhood/city was impacted...we'd quickly be isolated for a bit until it was put out). And after this...lets all be a lot smarter cause for worse things than COVID could hit us and this just proves how not ready we are for a global pandemic. I also think there is a lot of data people likely need to better understand out of China, Italy, Spain, US etc. Right now inferences and educated hypothesis are being made. To assume otherwise is not realistic. And I don't believe a lot of reports on the counts (at all). The only report I believe is Deaths/Hospitalizations. Its the one data point you really can't fake. In fact, I would go as far as to say only good news could come up in terms of counts, because the only direction they could be off is if the historical bad flu that was being experienced this year across the globe (not necessarily in deaths, but in volumes) was being over-reported as the flu.