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Bout time. I feel awful for everything that happened to him / his family.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 09:41 AM) It's not just the actual physics of the show like time and distance. It also is just that it set up years of confronting you with how impossible it was to actually suceed vs those who had power. How those pulling the strings would overwhelm you. And to an extent I see them doing the "unless you are willing to push the stakes" aspect of that, there just seems like too many deus ex machina now. Euron's fleet being this indestructible force after years of us being told the greyjoys were basically a nuisance that largely sucked at fighting (and with onlly half the island). Arya will destroy entire houses. 5 houses will fall with small army in the course of a single battle. Just wait until the fleet is burned up by dragons.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 09:24 AM) About the Lannister forces and some other things. 1) Someone asked where the Tyrell army was. I believe that they have implied that the army is somewhere nears King's Landing, so it may have been too far for them to get back to Highgarden. 2) Lannister army keeps adding allies. Its impossible to know the numbers, but a good majority of those forces attacking Highgarden could have been from Tarley. Which also could explain why Highgarden was under defended as they expected Tarley to protect them. Was this the first time we've seen Bronn since Tyrion fled? Edit: Nevermind...I forgot we saw him when Blackfish died.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 07:53 AM) To your last point, I think it's a calculated risk. Davos was able to see the plan of Dany not wanting to be known as a conquerer, so not out of the realm of thought that Cersei saw it as well. Tyrion has gotten his ass kicked in his plans so far, my one thought is that they are getting beat up so badly that they will have to go the Stannis route. Go up north to secure an ally there and fight the white walkers, win the realm over by saving it. That is what I think now. And I think Cersei knows a lot and they are taking their own risks and it is working out perfectly.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 31, 2017 -> 07:13 AM) We've also hit the point where a strange phenomenon in TV occurs. People start to watch the show just to find inconsistencies. It happened with The Sopranos too. This show is even more subject to it because of its incredibly massive scale. Not me...I watch and enjoy. I wish they would have had a normal season length (vs. this 6 episode season) as I think it would have better allowed for the timing matters, but I still absolutely enjoy the show.

Wohooo. You can put it on the board...yes!!! Rodon and Davidson!!!

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 29, 2017 -> 10:41 AM) There were reports that he reached out to Houston and they wanted nothing to do with him. When it comes to Jay...my view is the media / someone will always air on the side of negativity. And just cause one team didn't want Jay doesn't mean the rest of the league didn't. If he wanted to, he'd be on someone's roster (not saying he'd be a starter...but he'd be somewhere).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 10:37 AM) The fun part will be that a guy like Jay Cutler couldn't find a job either, so it isn't just him. I don't know if that was really true. He might not have found a starting job, but I also don't think he was actively looking for back-up roles, etc, and there were mixed reports at how open he really was about looking for a job. I think the reality was Jay decided if he wasn't going to start for a contender, he was going to hang it up and enjoy his health and family (and we all know he wasn't going to start for a contender...maybe as a back-up after an injury, but not immediately).

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 08:17 PM) Moncada k'ing 30-40% of the time. Jimenez and Rutherford aren't out of this world hitters at corner outfield spots, making them 1.5-2.25 fWAR guys. Kopech never finds his control or gets hurt. Cease and Giolito already with one TJS. Most of the hurlers have concerns about durability, or pitchability, as starters. Robert doesn't live up to his hype. See article above... Ok...I don't have any idea why that makes the Sox top farm system riskier then other teams top farm systems? I could go down the list with any organizations top prospects (including top 1/2) and do very similar assessments. Easy to do. No one knows. If anything, I would point out that the Sox are likely somewhat unique in how much of their farm system has been due to trades (vs. a true ability to draft and develop). So if you think of the Dodgers or Yankees, they built their farm systems from the ground up (largely).

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 12:45 PM) Yep, thanks to everyone. So apparently, the White Sox have the "riskiest" Top 1/2 farm system in the history of baseball. Typical. With the least experienced (Getz) or most lackluster (Buddy Bell/Laumann still hanging on?) as key decision-makers... Why is it the riskiest?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 12:12 PM) If you aren't able to win 90 games, you really aren't competing. An 83 win team isn't competitive in my eyes. That is an average team. Realistically we would need a ton to go right to be able to see even that .500ish team by 2019. Even the Cubs weren't above .500 until the fourth season after hitting bottom. That would put us at 2020 or even 2021 if next year is worse than this year. The Cubs not only burnt the ground down, but they were also going out and signing free agents during that span to start to build the roster. At this stage the White Sox are still burning down the house. 2018 is going to be a terrible team. IMO even with the prospects coming in, it is going to be closer to 2003 Tigers than .500. These kids will need time. I get the prospect sheets look great now, but I think a lot of people are WAY too optimistic in their hopes for these kids as a whole, and have to realize that a lot of prospect flat out fail, and for every Kris Bryant that hits from his first day in the majors, there are a lot more guys like Avi Garcia and Kyle Shwarber who spend seasons struggling as well as guys like Tim Anderson whose development is up and down. Already this year we have seen steps back from guys like Giolito, Fulmer, Anderson, and Collins. This could be blips in the road, or it could be the tip of the iceberg for them. It is a statistical certainty that some will bust. Who and how many? Well that is the fun part. The 83 win number takes context, if that number is 83 wins and we still have a top 5 farm system, guys emerging, and the arrow pointing up (even a late run), I'd call it contending vs. if you were talking about the Sox teams of the past few years, I'd totally agree. That said, I fully agree with everything you are saying...we are talking 3 years from now where maybe we have a shot at the wild card. Next year will be a disaster and the next year probably won't be much better (although we should see the arrow pointing up as enough of the top prospects have emerged and hopefully at least some of them are showing value and early returns).

Let Coop work with him and see if we got something. Deal with the growing pains, but two years from now he could be a good one.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 09:05 AM) While we may not have a great record of fixing guys, we do have one advantage - playing time. We can take guys like this and say "Here's a season or two, and a thousand PA's, go see what you can do". No one will care if we lose games if he hits .200 next year and then snaps it together afterwards. Completely agree with that. It is actually why I like what we did with Cordell and even Gillespie, since we should be able to get these guys at bats (I'd put Delmonico and obviously Davidson was a CY example (hell Avi was that this year too)) in that camp too. You never know who ends up sticking.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 08:55 AM) Free agent. Such a bummer he got hurt, he really has been a quality pitcher for the White Sox (outside of that stretch where he was pitching banged up this season).

QUOTE (ChiSox1917 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 08:51 AM) By no means a star, but Davidson looked almost out of baseball after 2014 & 2015. Had a rebound in the minors in 2016 and hasn't been completely terrible by any means this year. Davidson reminds me of one of those platoon guys that you see on a good playoff team (not anyone's star, but someone who you take advantage of the splits / match-ups and provides value).

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 08:53 AM) Should be dealt? Holland, Shields, and MiGo should also be dealt. Whether they are or not is anyone's guess, personally I think only MiGo is dealt, but all three should go Do the Sox control Migo next year as well (via arbitration) or is he a free agent?

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 08:46 AM) Yeah but we also know that Fulmer could have 4 good starts and suddenly be looking like a real legit prospect again. A good couple months out of Gillaspie and the same is true. Fulmer hasn't passed the eye test in a year plus and by all accounts it sounds like Gilaspie doesn't either. Things could absolutely change, but Sox don't have a great track-record fixing guys. By the way, I'm not knocking the trade, just saying their is a reason the #74 preseason prospect was traded for Jennings. We need to hope the Sox saw some sort of mechanical flaw in Gilaspie that they think they can fix.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 08:34 AM) The White Sox just got the preseason BA #74 prospect for Dan Jennings. What the hell. Remember how fast Fullmer collapsed...well Gillespie has kind of done the same thing, but from the hitting side. That said, certainly worth the flyer.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2017 -> 08:07 AM) Holy christ is that selling low on Casey Gillaspie. Is there something we don't know about why he's struggling in AAA this year? The Rays obviously don't think that highly in him (given that they shipped him off for Dan Jennings). Certainly a nice move though by the Sox. Why not take the flyer.

QUOTE (JPR @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 04:42 PM) He's completely incorrect in his/her assessment of the trade and to give up carson fulmer in his mock trade is just laughable. I finally had to post after 8 years of reading this forum, because he single handily ruined the reading material of this thread by letting his incorrect assertions bleed from page to page like a never ending story. White Sox have the best farm system in all of baseball, maybe second worst case scenario behind the Braves, let's be excited and focus on the positives. First off, welcome aboard. Secondly, no need to call out Shack (or any member for that matter directly). Debates are going to happen and different ideas/opinions are good and welcome. Besides, while I might disagree with Shack's views of this trade, he is an excellent poster/member on this site.

Angels have zero farm system, but I predict they will at least inquire about Melky (they have been struggling though so pretty unlikely they can make the wild card, but for some reason I could see them talking). Their outfield (outside of Trout) is complete and utter trash. Calhoun is usually good but has had a very down year.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 07:05 PM) So what do you think? Traded by Monday afternoon, or August waiver deal? Starting to think the latter. I would hope we'd kick in cash where appropriate to get something attractive. This team isn't going to be spending much money the next two years. I would think we act by July 31st. August would be more along the lines of a guy like Clippard (if he got rolling) or maybe a Miguel Gonzalez / Holland / etc.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 06:03 PM) See, I couldn't disagree more. I don't like this much at all. We've already got like 2-3 guys that can play center field. Presumably, this guy will come up and play left when Melky is gone, but Adam Engel is actually deserving of playing time right now and I think when Garcia returns, he deserves another chance as well. Would have much rather gotten an intriguing arm or something. I get the Swarzak was signed as a minor league FA, but let's not ignore what he accomplished up here; nor should we ignore his stuff. Dude can bring mid-90's heat with a wicked slider that he currently has penchant for locating wherever the hell he wants. I'm frustrated by this idea of comparing the value a player had when he was initially signed with the value he received back when traded. What we need to be considering is the value the player has given his current performance. If that means we get some mediocre prospect who might become a 4th OFer if he's lucky, I'd prefer to just f***ing let the guy close for the rest of the year and see if he'll resign with you. I should probably wait until I actually see this guy play, because it sounds like he is one hell of an athlete, but we are not short on athletes, from what I understand. So I think the reality is...when a guy is just a few months removed from being a minimal signing, you just can't disconnect trade value, etc and expect current production. In the case of Kanhle, there was more dynamics at play, since we had him under control for a few more years...but in the case of Swarzak, relievers are highly volatile, and while stuff is there, the guy is old and a free agent at the end of the year, with minimal track record of success. You just can't expect to get "current production" sales price for someone who has only produced for a couple months who is going to walk at the end of the year.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 05:43 PM) Don't let this distract you from the the fact that in 1966, Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, Bubba "Spare Tire" Dixon. No ma'am

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 04:45 PM) Longenhagen had him as the 12st best prospect in a pretty solid Brewers system. I really like the fact that he's essentially major league ready and actually has good all-round tools. There is some upside here and for a team that could be patching together an OF for the next two years, he's a great guy to gamble on. Yep - We have the luxury of time too. He isn't getting in anyone's way (in terms of taking AB's) and we can be patient with him to see if we have something (or not).