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Please don't let Northwestern ruin my Hawkeyes perfect season. Come on Iowa, lets play some great football this weekend so we can at least show up at Columbus undefeated.

I believe Illini TE recruit Fiedorwitz or however the F its spelled will be making his visit to Iowa this weekend. A good game by Moeakai and the Hawkeyes should sell him on ditching the Illini for Iowa.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 01:29 PM) Why don't we just get Pujols and Utley? I'm down.

He's great in the clubhouse too, which is huge. I think the Mark Gonzalez interview told everyone a whole lot about what the Sox clubhouse is like. I realize clubhouse gets over-rated at times as does chemistry, but it does make some what of a difference, depending on the type of team you have.

QUOTE (tommy @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 01:26 PM) Why not pursue Figgins and have him play 2B and leadoff. Figgins 2B Beckham 3b Quentin LF Konerko _______ DH - signing/trade Pierzynski C Rios CF Teahen RF Ramirez SS Improve bullpen. Figgins is one of the best defensive 3B, so if we sign him, he'd have to play 3B with Beckham moving to 2B. Ramirez doesn't move from short unless its to another team (because he's the best in-house option by a long-shot defensively). Figgins is going to cost a lot and get a long-term deal for a guy that is aging and relies heavily on his legs though. I love Figgins, but I'm not sure I'm super down with the long-term idea of him in Chicago at his price.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 11:22 AM) If the Sox traded Konerko for this, Id be a lot more upset than Getz. I'd be okay with that. The money could go to a lot of other things.

I still think something is up. I just can't put 2 and 2 together which makes me think either no trade, or there are other pieces to this puzzle and all of the info on this trade is not yet out.

QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 10:37 AM) [/b] Yes. Who steals a base? Who leads off? Beckham would lead-off in that instance.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 10:13 AM) Its true the Sox liked Getz, but management can turn on its favorite employees in a second. There has to be some motivation behind this trade, and it simply cant be: Teahan is the best 4mil player available. Which makes me believe that the trade had more to do with the players we sent, then the player we received. Teahan seems to be a player we are taking a chance with. He has had good stats at UCF, and maybe they believe he can finally reach the potential people thought he had. It would seem that Getz would have more value, but I just dont see KW as the type of GM that doesnt explore every option before making a deal. My guess is he called every team with this package and only KC had any real interest. Thats all merely speculation. So if thats the case, do the Sox threaten to non-tender Teahen and use the 4M elsewhere? Or get Teahen to agree to a contract at less than he was paid this year, knowing damn well that if he doesn't accept the offer, that the Sox will non-tender him and he'll be a UFA.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 10:08 AM) Then do you agree with this? My immediate thought upon looking at Teahen's salary was, "how much would it suck if Beltre or Hudson end up signing for about $6M?" Ya, I think I just commented how 4M could pretty much get you one of Hudson/Polanco (maybe add 1-3M). 2B don't make a done unless your Chase Utley.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 10:07 AM) Its also possible the Sox didnt want Getz on the team and this was the best offer they could find... I just can't see that being the case. Why would the brass have raved about him all season (maybe not rave, but they talked him up pretty good) only to get rid of him because of what Mark Gonzalez said. Sounds to me like Getz is the solution and some of the lame ass veterans were the problem.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 10:01 AM) He's a terrible 3b and about an average corner of. I'd say his arm would give him a shot to be fine in LF. In right he's not that good, better than Dye, but that doesn't say a whole hell of a lot.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 10:03 AM) Damn it Chisoxfn, I was saying these exact same things pages back! You should have been here then so I wouldn't have had to type so much. Well there is a reason we agree most of the time!!!

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 10:00 AM) The overreactions in here are hilarious. 100 losses? Kotsay to DH full time? Seriously? And I am thinking more and more that Plan A is for Teahen to play 2B, with the Sox acquiring an OF. side note: If Getz still hasn't been told about the trade, after the story came out, that's pretty s***ty treatment. Not real happy with that. The trade doesn't smell right. You don't trade Getz for Teahen to be your starting 2B. Not when Teahen will make 4M more. At that point, why not sign Polanco or Hudson cause 4M would probably get your pretty damn close to signing one of those guys (give or take 1-3M).

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 10:00 AM) Is that really true? Can someone show us some defensive metrics? I seem to remember Teahan being a solid 3b...my guess is the numbers say he isn't, which is why you have the opinion that you do. Could he really be any worse at 3rd than Gordon? Gordon will be a very good 3B, book it. He's got great hands, a strong enough arm, and very quick reflexes. The big thing he lacked was the lateral movements of an above avg shortstop, but as a 3B he has the ability to be a gold glover in time, imo.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 09:59 AM) That would be bad, real bad. At least we have pitching, haha. Err...starting pitching

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 09:58 AM) Tell me why Chris Getz is a good player. Tell me why he's better then Nix or Teahen. Give me some numbers, don't give me feelings. Dude, about 50 people have done so. Get over it. You have your opinion, the rest of the world has there's. Lets not beat a dead horse.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 09:56 AM) How versatile are you really when you suck just about everywhere you play on the field? Real hard to get excited about Mark Teahen, he doesn't do a whole hell of a lot well. The part that kills me is that I honestly think Mark would have been non-tendered. He has some tools and potential but in five years he hasn't lived up to it so why pay a premium for it like the Sox have. This really is a bad trade and I rarely hammer on Kenny.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 09:55 AM) Well no one has even mentioned the possibility that the Sox have set their sights on a middle infielder/3b who will replace Getz... The first thing I thought of when I heard this trade was that the Sox had opened up the ability to sign Figgins. They could also find a different Ss and move Alexei back to 2B if they want to do that (although that would probably be expensive...so would Figgins). I'm quite curious as to what they got in mind, because as is, I'm not a fan of this move at all.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 09:55 AM) It's that kind of crap that made Chris Getz into a legend on this board.. What don't you like about Nix? That he struggled at hitting RHP in his rookie year? That he can hit for pop, steal a base, field the damn position better then Getz? The raw data works in Nixs' favor. That he has a long swing and can't hit for an average. That he's a bench player that can't field at SS nor does he play an excellent 3B. That he hit .220 while being babied and only facing lefties. I don't like anything about Nix offensive approach and it is detrimental toa team over a full season. Getz isn't a star, but he has so many more positive things he can do for a team.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 09:53 AM) Really? I don't want him starting but he's a perfect bench player imo. If he learns to play other positions, fine, but I see little value in a bench player that can only play 2B above average, is a butcher at Ss and is mediocre at 3B. He's got a lot to work on if he wants a permanent job. Now Teahan/Kotsay, those are bench players. Basically put, Nix has work to do to become a good bench player. He has the potential to be that though, I'd admit that.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 09:51 AM) Nix isn't going to start. Getz at $400K is not a liability, and you're still cutting his abilities short because you love Nix for some reason. Nix sucks as a starter. He's a decent backup, but he can't play SS very well, so he's not even the best option there either. I'm pissed about this trade because we just added over $4M to the payroll for a player that is easily replaceable. I personally hope we sell NIx. I don't like the way he plays the game.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 5, 2009 -> 09:51 AM) Why do you assume Teahan wouldn't play 3rd? Because Teahan isn't that good of a defensive 3rd baseman, nor does he hit good enough to play 3B, imo. You don't move Gordon Beckham for Mark Teahan. If you want Teahen in the infield, he plays 2B, not 3B.

Very important. Given that Ozzie had talked about him having to potentially change his delivery, which would have been a very bad thing.

Great signing. Such a versatile bench player. Key word, BENCH PLAYER.