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QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 08:52 PM) This is a perfect post, thanks FoN! Look at Jay's history, he is not a turnover prone QB. He's a gunslinger that turns it over, but prior to the last 12 or so weeks, he really didn't turn the ball over a whole ton. The problem is, when your are asked to throw 50 times and teams can seat back and wait and still get to the QB you are going to end up throwing a lot more picks (its the nature of the biz). Give him even decent offensive talent and he might just win an MVP. Thats how f***ing good Cutler is.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 07:59 PM) Well, I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt on the first and last pick. He was playing solid football in first half, but he's missed some easy passes in 2nd half and he got extremely lucky the 49ers didn't have a pick 6 on the last play of the Bears last drive. That was because Hester didn't go to the ball. Watch the replay, that was a catch if Hester did things right.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 07:54 PM) Don't get me wrong guys, I like Cutler a hell of a lot more than I did Orton. However, he needs to get his composure back right now. He's having a dreadful game and has now missed a few easy passes to go along with his picks. Dreadful game, come on. Yes the stats looked bad but he made a ton of great throws tonight. We didn't win and he deserves blame but geeze, what the hell do you think happens when you get 50 rushing yards a game (and like 2 yards per carry) and no time to throw the ball. Not to mention our Wr's aren't that good. I realize there stats are solid, but that is because of Jay.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 07:46 PM) Defensive player had every right to that play, IMO. Of course, throwing downfield to K. Davis probably isn't a recipe for success. Not at all, you are not allowed to take out the TE. He knocked our Te out of the way.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 07:43 PM) Wow, that was a terrible throw by Cutler. He really needs to start getting a lot more criticism. I wonder when the media will start with the Good Cutler/Bad Cutler like they started with Rex. Are you f***ing kidding me...that throw was on Hester not coming back to the ball. Cutler made two stupid passes (both picks in the end zone) and lets be honest, the last one he had to force the ball cause time was gone. In theory he should have thrown it away and we get one more play, but his last pick wasn't really the end of the world. The one in the end zone in the 1st half, now that was bad, but what the f*** do you expect when we do the same sequence every time we are in the red zone. No one was fooled and you could tell Cutler was like, f*** it, I want 6. It was stupid and all Jay's fault but I'm really sick at how Cutler has to do everything on his own. I'm glad Jay apologized to the defense though. What a s*** show of a game. I don't give a f*** if it costs 12 million more for the Bears to find another coach, do it.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 04:41 PM) Several years ago? You have a funny definition of the word several. December 9, 1982: Traded by the Cleveland Indians to the Philadelphia Phillies for Jay Baller, Julio Franco, Manny Trillo, George Vukovich and Jerry Willard. I'm glad, I was thinking to myself, who the f*** was Von Hayes and how do I not remember this trade. Than it turns out it was made before I was born.

Staying right where I am. Which is nice. I've traveled enough on Thanksgiving to know its nice that all of the family is within a half hour drive.

QUOTE (NIUSox @ Nov 7, 2009 -> 03:19 PM) Agreed I had a wild-turkey and 151 combined shot, called the 252, this past weekend....after a whole s***load of shots....wow, it not only felt like burning, it "tasted like burning". One of the most awful shots I've ever had.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Nov 6, 2009 -> 11:12 PM) I got drunk on one dollar by pretending I knew Miranda tonight. Who the f*** is Miranda?

QUOTE (The Beast @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 02:14 PM) I think about how blessed I am to be able to go to school - a lot of my generation doesn't take it seriously and piss their parent's money away on nothing. My mom and dad came from humble beginnings, growing up on the south side of Chicago and barely were able to attend college. They were smart enough to go away to school, but went to Chicago State to get their education because they had to pay for school. My mother, a math major, went on to work at Sears for several years before she stayed at home to take care of 5 kids. My dad originally had thought he would become a teacher, and was trained as such. He then didn't like what he was doing, went to work for Radio Shack before getting a sales job. Since then, he has worked with several corporations and I know he does a great job. I just am not sure if he likes what he does or if he is miserable. I'll never know, so I won't ever complain. This is why I wish someone would have told me early on to take this route of going to the community college for two years before transferring to a major university. If I had done that, I would have taken the general education requirements, worked on my math deficiency, and worked to make money of my own. A lot of people knock the community college route, but I wish I had done that before I dove right into a university that I wasn't sure about to begin with. So now I'm hoping to go to SAU to finish off a business degree, intern with sports teams in Davenport and see what doors open. This time, I think I'll appreciate my education and opportunities that are provided a bit more than I had originally. This is why I won't drop out. I know that I can't work in the trades, I suck at working with my hands. I don't want to be a barista, work in fast food or at a grocery store. I could go into health care if I don't get into sports marketing. But I couldn't work in many jobs that don't require a college degree - with the exception of being a police officer and even then I'd be a bit traumatized. Dude, Community College can be a great route, but there is nothing wrong about going to a 4 yr school from the beginning. I knew what I wanted to do (Business), learned a skill (Accounting and Finance) went to work with a huge company (Deloitte), left for a nice raise to go work for another big company (Apria Health Care) and after 6 months at that company I've hired my replacement and am getting promoted shortly. What does the future hold, who knows, but hopefully another year or two here where I develop further mgr experience and when the economy picks back up I can parlay that into what might be one of the last companies I ever work for (hopefully a real good job at a really really good company with great benefits).

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 09:51 AM) Konerko obviously has 10/5 rights now, but when he signed his deal, he had a partial NTC. I recall Dye's NTC not allowing a trade to Boston, but I sort of remember it with Konerko too. I may be wrong, but if he didn't want to go there in the first place, there's no way he'd go now. I don't actually remember if that's the case, and I can't find the teams to which he won't accept a trade, but it's worth considering. I don't believe that is the case with Konerko.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 09:31 AM) Unless someoen in our org still thinks Kotchman has enough in the tank to turn into a 20 HR, .280 hitter, no. The Sox would be giving up 2 big offensive threats and getting 1 back. Right now I'm looking at casey as just a backup 1b, and with that, i can't agree to that deal. So your saying we should ask for more back? My thought is you are giving up Konerko but freeing up the resources to spend money on a good DH and a reliever. I'm not sure if the BoSox would include a Bowden or Bard instead of Kochman (or on top of Kochman). I was throwing the idea out as it might be one of the best ways to get a real good, young, top of the order bat, and shed salary.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 07:25 AM) That's funny right there. But, really why trade away our strength. The way the offense is shaping up it will be pitching in 2010 or nothing I wouldn't touch the rotation and I'd be hesitant to deal Hudson. I'd try to free up payroll as best as possible so that we can sign a few guys to short term deals and have a league average offense. If the team is playing great at the deadline, maybe swing for a big bat in the order or just hope that our younger player progress enough that they can fill in and eventually turn the league average offense into a better than league average one.

QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Nov 11, 2009 -> 07:43 PM) This is most reassuring. Its nice to know we're going to have 4 starters in our rotation that can beat another team's #1 guy, plus Freddy Garcia. This will be the biggest key in a turnaround. Garcia scares me though. He hasn't thrown even a 100 innings in some time and we will be relying on him for 180 innings and if we move a Hudson we have no back-up plan. Add in Floyd having a bum hip (potentially) and the fact that most teams have a few pitchers go down in a season and I'm not sure we have the minor league resources to step in and fill if we do have an injury. Hynick/Torres would be the next in line if Hudson were traded, imo.

Levine was speculating that the payroll would be closer to 100M than 95. If so thats a real good thing, because a move of Jenks or Konerko could free up just enough salary that the Sox could make things pretty interesting.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 09:12 AM) He may not be hands-down better, but the biggest advantage he'd have is being at least a year ahead of Hudson, in terms of hitting the big leagues and starting to learn how to get big league hitters out. That's a big advantage for a pitching prospect. I'd say Bucholtz is the safer bet to be a solid big-leaguer given his 90 inning track record at the ML level this year, but I also think Clay has some flaws to his game (like most players do). The question is could the Sox offer a better all-around package and when Hudson isn't that much of a downgrade and your next best guy is potentially a major upgrade well than it makes things interesting. I still wonder if the two Sox can put together a deal for a Jacoby and Bard or Bowden. I could see the BoSox even having interest in Paulie (they looked at him this past trade deadline). I realize Victor Martinez/Casey Kochman are on board but Victor might catch (who knows) and the Red Sox have to be concerned with Papi. Probably unlikely, but what if: Sox Trade: Ramirez/Konerko for Kochman/Jacoby. Would you guys do it?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 08:45 AM) Just out of curiousity...what do people think he'll be looking at when he hits the FA market after 2011? Is he another Tex kind of contract guy, 8 years, $200 million ish? IF I were his agent that is where I'd begin the discussions. I drool over the thought of Adrian, but I don't think I give up a package consisting of Danks/Flowers/Hudson and someone else (and i'm referring to D2). I think we have a real nice set of young players that will actually produce and for a team with a payroll limited to 100M or so having a Danks/Flowers/Hudson/Morel/Viciedo producing for us would be absolutely huge for the next 5 years (or even a combination of 2 to 3 of those guys). The reality is this is, even after the Peavy trade, the best farm system we've had in a long long time and I'm not even counting some of our good prep arms that the Sox took in the most recent draft (plus Mitchell). I do think the club will target a pitcher or SS (I got a feeling the Sox might look heavily at the two Titans in the draft....Christian Colon (SS) and Gary Brown (SPEEDY OF). Colon probably goes before the Sox 2nd round pick, Brown is probably available.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 11, 2009 -> 07:16 PM) In all seriousness, if Clay Bucholz was out there, the only way we would top that is with either Danks or Floyd. In that case, I hope Kenny folds. Bucholtz is severely over-rated. He's a very good pitching prospect, but he's not an elite pitching prospect. I don't think Hudson is either, but more than a few people have rated Hudson in the top 10 pitching prospects in baseball currently. I'm not sure where I stand on that theory but Hudson is pretty damn good. Both have questions and neither are sure things (what prospect is), but I would argue that Bucholz isn't hands-down better.

Can't wait to get out there.

I wanted to be one of the following: FBI Agent Lawyer Baseball GM or Pitcher Business Man

I would do that deal. You could have Pelfrey as a back-up plan as a starter and probably use him out of the pen.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 8, 2009 -> 11:23 AM) Arnold had a chance to be that fresh start. After the recall stomping, he could have legitimately pushed for institutional reforms and probably won. He even had advisors (Buffet) saying that prop 13 needed fixed. Instead, he cut the vehicle tax with no way to replace the revenue, launched pointless fights with the teachers unions (demanding concessions but offering nothing in return), borrowed his way through budget deficits in good times, and did nothing to plan for the future. The way he was elected, he had a genuine madate to reform the state if he wanted to use it. He didn't. I agree with you. I'll be supporting my local council-men Cambell for the governor race. I doubt he'll even be the republican nominee though.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Aug 5, 2009 -> 12:37 PM) I miss that show. They really messed up canceling that. It was such a great show.

I can't get the idea of the possibilities a duo of Quentin/Gonzalez could be.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2009 -> 09:48 AM) Once i looked at the FA 1b, I was able to convince myself otherwise. There is literally 1 starting FA 1b on the market, Laroche. 2 if you think Nick Johnson can stay healthy or you're happy with Abrey Huff, but otherwise, that's it. The rest of them belong at DH. Delgado, Johnson, Thome, and a bunch of people with OPS's that a decent pitcher can beat. There are teams that just flat out need a bat at 1b, and if they don't land Laroche, it's a hole. The Mets. The Braves. Exactly. The Sox could have to put another piece in the deal (player or cash) to make it more attractive and ultimately allow them to get something back. But I could even see a Jenks/Konerko package working for a team that has a need at both positions.