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QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:48 AM) Hawk and Stoney both don't think it gets done. Were they just on? What did they say? Oops, I guess we do have a game to play. f***, would he be set to potentially start one of the games in Anaheim. I might have to get off my ass and make sure I go to that game. I'm currently slated to go at least on Monday.

Oh and one random tidbit, this isn't the first time the Sox tried to get Peavy (I've always heard he might have been one of the guys rumored to be part of the "knock your sock off trade of a couple years back". There are a few other names that were thrown around as possibly being part of that deal as well.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:33 AM) Maybe Kenny has a deal for Oswalt or someone else of the like if this falls through? Oswalt isn't as good of a fit. I think Kenny is looking for someone that will still be in there prime for the next 3-5 years. I also think that means no Doc Halladay. I still wish they could get involved in a 3 team deal and land someone like Matt Cain.

QUOTE (SmashROT @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:31 AM) If this is seriously the deal breaker, all I see him as is gutless. Any pitcher that doesn't welcome a challenge and opportunity to prove himself is someone I just can't respect... even if that pitcher is a perrenial Cy Young candidate. Not really, you don't see FA pitchers jumping to go to Colorado or Texas unless they get significantly more money.

QUOTE (shipps @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:31 AM) I guess the one thing that boggles my mind is that even if he doesnt except the deal the Sox are "Buyers" and not sellers. Long-term buyers. Peavy would fit perfectly into the mold of competing strong over the next 3 to 4 years, not necessarily just this year. The Sox obviously have identified the one flaw in there system which I've talked about in the past (not that I have any inside knowledge of these talks) and that is they flat out lack a premiere front of the rotation pitching prospect. So dealing to get a true ace is brilliant, especially when you have the potential for cheap bats at 3B, SS, C, 1B, and CF (Vic, Beck, Flowers, Allen, DanksII)

Gut instincts, this deal goes down. The one thing the Sox lack in the org is a front of the rotation starter and I think Kenny cleared payroll specifically for getting that guy. Peavy is that guy and if its not Peavy than I'm sure he has a few other guys he's considering.

QUOTE (RibbieRubarb @ May 21, 2009 -> 10:02 AM) Scott Linebrink talked to Peavy last night and told The Score that Jake is not against pitching in the AL. This seems to sound like Writers sick of silence in the news cycle and are rehashing old stories as to why there is silence. What? Scott was on earlier and made no indication of that. Indicated it was 50/50.

QUOTE (Sockin @ May 21, 2009 -> 09:58 AM) Bob Nightengale of USA Today says Peavy has been informed that he has been traded and it's up to him. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/20...res-peavy_N.htm Nightengale is an outstanding source so I'd take that as very strong news.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 21, 2009 -> 09:52 AM) If the Sox are willing to take on that much money and willing to give up the prospects that have been mentioned, they could realistically be involved with a lot of marquee names (guys like Oswalt who could be available). Is Oswalt better than Peavy? I agree though, if the club is willing to take on that sort of payroll, they could be players for a good number of guys, the question is what guys become available that aren't on contending teams.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ May 21, 2009 -> 09:37 AM) "early opinion on poreda and richard: "a reliever and 5th starter'' says NL scout. but padres' towers does know pitching" Via Jon Heyman on Twitter It does seem like a good trade though. Pads get two guys that are cheap and very capable of being productive major leaguers, one with the potential to be a #2 or #3 starter (if he finds his secondary stuff) and if he doesn't make it there, he's got a real great shot at being a legit closer. The other who I think makes it as a quality 4th or 5th starter. I really do like Clayton. And again, if Clayton doesn't make it there he's got a long long role as a reliever. Add in one more good arm and it is a great deal, if they got two, even better from the Pads perspective.

Peavy is a ground ball pitcher though, plus he gets tons of K's so he should be alright moving to the AL and our hitters paradise. Plus the guy brings a lot of passion every start and would be a tremendous add to the clubhouse.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ May 21, 2009 -> 09:15 AM) The longer we don't know the other PTBNL, it scares me it is guys from last years draft.... Carter and Hudson are definate possibilities.

Kalapse here's the update: Peavy to the Sox for Richards, Poreda and one to two PTBNL depending on the source. Gammons indicated that Beckham is not part of the deal and CBS writer indicated that the PTBNL would be pitcher(s). Some other names that were mentioned at one time or another as being part of the deal are Jermaine Dye, Brian Giles, and David Eckstein, but it sounds like those three names were very early speculation. Linebrink talked to Peavy yesterday and his general feeling is that it is 50/50. Other sources indicate that Peavy's hold-up is not pitching in the AL where he doesn't have concerns but with playing for Ozzie. His agent also indicated that he wants to play in the midwest so thats a fit. Bottom line, it sounds like the Sox want a decision by today so we should know within a few hours.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ May 21, 2009 -> 08:46 AM) Last year, according to BA, he was 88-92, so it's nice to see the improvement in velocity. But still at 92-94, I don't consider him a power pitcher. He has got a lot of Kevin Slowey in him, IMO. http://thebaseballcube.com/players/S/Kevin-Slowey.shtml Similar peripheral numbers. If you've seen him pitch, you'd like him a lot more. The guy has a fluid delivery, plus command (don't know how he got it so quick, but the Sox made some minor adjustments to make his delivery more compact), and a really nice breaking piece. Changeup is coming along nicely and he throws two variations of the fastball, both with good velocity, tops out at 95, but pitches more in the 91-94 MPH range, both have excellent movement, one with some real nice sink.

Okay, I go to sleep last night and its page 3 or 4...get to work and its page 34 and had like 7 texts that came through at some point in the night. Can someone please get me up to speed. Much appreciated (I will slowly be reading through the thread though).

QUOTE (fathom @ May 20, 2009 -> 09:50 PM) The more I think about it, the less I want this trade to happen. Peavy's contract is huge, and that will really damper our ability to upgrade the offense. If we do decide to go young, it will be 3-4 years before those players come into their own, and by that time, Peavy and Buehrle will have their deals expire. Fathom, the one thing is, the Sox should hvae a cheap offense. Viciedo is a f***ing beast and I mean it. Allen looks like a solid prospect too and everything I'm hearing is that he's becoming a very complete hitter. Massive power potential. Flower is a great looking hitter. Shelby has upside and a chance, far less of a success rate compared to the others and than Danks with upside too. Match that with Quentin/Ramirez/Getz and it makes very much sense to have your money invest more in the rotation. THan in terms of the pen you got arms like Omogrosso/Link etc and still guys like Leesman and others. Bottom line you still have a nice looking system and plenty of options. I really love this idea as long as the Sox are only giving up a max of one guy in there top 5 prospect group to go with Richard/Poreda because I think both of those guys are extremely valuable. At worse your talking about two guys that are upper echelon relievers for a long time, imo or at least a decent shot at that and if they pan out, you got two nice looking starters.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 20, 2009 -> 09:47 PM) Can somebody explain to me the love affair with Jordan Danks? I'm not trying to be a smartass here. His college stats certainly weren't mind-blowing. And haven't we learned with guys like Chris Young and Josh Fields that guys who K that much at the minor level are destined to suck at the ML level (and I'm officially off the Chris Young bandwagon. He f***in' blows). The guy is one of the premiere athletes in the minors. Your talking about a gold glove caliber defender and a guy with a very pretty swing who has at least 15-25 HR power and if he learns to turn on the inside pitches, 30 HR power. You dont' give up a guy like that, absolutely not, especially if your already giving up other guys and when you factor in the Sox significant needs for a legit CFer, it makes me want him more. And say what you want about the strikeouts, but Jordan Danks is a far more polished hitter than a Josh Fields or Chris Young. He has a stroke that projects to hit for a higher average and as he develops should be a solid OBP guy as well. Bottom line you are talking about a potential .280-.310, 20-30 HR, 90 RBI, 20-30 SB, .350-.380 OBP, type of guy all while playing a plus CF. Yeah, thats the potential to be one of the best CFer's in the game, maybe our Curtis Granderson. It's not all in the college stats my friend and that is coming from someone thats seen him a few times in person and many more times on TV.

It is a good time to make a move and with an improved rotation this team has a chance, but it also means Kenny probably has a bit of a hole to fill at the top of the order. That said, even if the Sox are looking at this as a retooling year where they hope to compete but looking forward, the one thing this organization lacks is the front line starting pitcher to go with the current crop and Peavy would be that. If danks/Floyd pitch up to there capabalities and Buehrle and PEavy are themselves, thats a f***ing sick rotation with Colon as the 5th for the time being, Contreras as a plan B.

My guess would be the PTBNL would be on a list which would allow the Pads to do some extra scouting. There is just no f***ing way Beckham goes and I'd have to think Danks is pretty untouchable as well as Flowers (at least based on what was told to our Soxtalk guys that were at the event with Rick Hahn last night). Hudson I really really like though, I think he'll make a quick impact and projects as that potential 5th starter. The best part is, you trade some of these guys and with a good draft your right back where you were, if not better off, assuming the Sox can hold some of there guys. I also assume Viciedo isn't an option. I'd personally offer up Fields, but I have no idea if the Pads have a need at 3B.

That gives the Sox 4 long term starters, 3 of which are at a fixed price. I don't mind it. I like Richards and Poreda looks like a nice reliever, but I accept both of those guys going, the big question to me is who are the PTBNL. If its Danks and Beckham hell no, heck, even if its Danks and Hudson or Carter I'd have my doubts. Not because I don't think Peavy is badass, but rather that Peavy's contract is expensive so anyone willing to take on 18.5M in this economy certainly wouldn't have to give up 4 big leaguers, all of which are freaking CHEAP.

Wow, Thome hit it hard and was ROBBED.

Liriano has no command right now. Solid velocity on the fastball but Liriano might be gone.

Damn that was GONE

QUOTE (Heads22 @ May 20, 2009 -> 06:36 PM) Gage, IM if you can... Can't getting ready to head out....f*** YES....GRAND SLAM...MR DYE!~~~ CRUSHED

I'm shocked Nix took that pitch, but glad it was called a ball. That would have been a good pitch to put out of the park too, offspeed pitch that was inside and was just a shade below waste high.