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QUOTE (dasox24 @ May 25, 2009 -> 11:35 AM) f*** that... UVA and Irvine got screwed. UVA should have been a #1 and Irvine shouldn't have gotten the best #2 in their regional. Unfortunately for Virginia, they have to face Strasburg in Game 1, so that's like an automatic loss. I'm totally going to have to make my way to that game. See Strasburg pitch in my home town.

That was one fun game to be at. Badass job Sox. And way to battle Danksy.

QUOTE (farmteam @ May 25, 2009 -> 04:13 PM) IU has a pretty sick offense, but there's not a ton of depth pitching wise, and defense is sometimes a concern. Arnett came out of absolutely nowhere this year. Unfortunately, I was never able to get out to the park on days he was pitching, so I don't have anything real good for you. However, everything I heard around campus has been echoed in this thread -- hard fastball, not a ton of movement, and not great secondary pitches. The guy I really love on IU's team is Phegley, he's a stud. Hits with power, compact stance, handles the staff real well. Anyone know if Bashore is going to drafted? He was the ace of the Hoosier staff last year as a sophomore, but wasn't quite as good this year. He started off poorly, but he really picked it up in big ten play. Bashmore will be gone within the top 10 rounds, probalby somewhere between 3 and 6.

Good email Soxfan562004

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QUOTE (Cali @ May 22, 2009 -> 11:13 AM) Even though we're playing them tonight, I really feel bad for the Pirates. They used to be such a storied franchise, and they have been just remarkably bad for so long now. They have one of the nicest, if not THE nicest new stadium in Baseball and no fans to pack it. I hope they can put together a competitive team sometime soon, I know they have Pedro Alvarez coming soon, maybe that will help... Alvarez has been atrocious in the minors thus far. No one has hit the panic button yet, but this is his 2nd straight dissapointing season, the first being his final season at Vandy. Oh and I fully would love him in our organization so I'm not writing him off or anything. Clearly still one of the elite prospects in baseball.

The guy is a freaking ace. Filthy stuff and a front of the rotation guy. He might not post sub 2.5 ERA's but the guy is still an ace, whether its the Al or NL cause I truly think that front line pitchers aren't effected as much as mediocre pitchers are by the change in leagues. So f*** yes I want him, only thing I wouldn't buy into are all those freaking opt-out clauses. I'm not giving up 4 prospects, unless the others are of zero value, unless we are locks to keep him for a while.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 22, 2009 -> 10:48 AM) Axelrod said that Peavy asked KW some pointed questions. About Dye being traded, Thome's Future, ETC, and was well aware of Danks' and Floyd's potential. IT was also said that Peavy picked up the phone ready to say no, and that KW nearly convinced him. Very interesting and I give Peavy credit. That is the type of stuff you should ask if your in his shoes. Those are the calls I'd love to be on cause it gives you a big idea on the future of the club. My guess is Peavy takes a few days to think about it and at that point its probably on the backburner for good unless Peavy has a change of heart.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 22, 2009 -> 10:37 AM) There's like 2 or 3 of our current pitchers that...if they were on the PTBNL list...I can't figure out why the Padres would have wanted them as PTBNL's instead of just taking them now and getting them in to their system (Hudson is at the top of that list)...unless either they think that the guy is an injury risk or they really like our pitching coaches and hate theirs. If Hudson was on the PTBNL list, why in the world wouldn't they have just taken him? THey probably hadn't finished scouting the system so my guess is there were a list of guys they would watch further and than make a decision on. Not too surprising, especially when it comes to lower level prospects as typically its much harder to get a read on them and for the most part opposing organizations probably know less on them as they haven't been around for a couple of years.

Sweet Steve, would appreciate an update of what he says.

Says Bulls want Gordon back.

Very important. As I said, we find out a lot about this club by June 1st, cause it likely puts the Sox in a position of what they are doing. I still think they'll be looking towards next season and beyond.

And ignoring the lefty Rodrigeuz we received is poor too. Dan, your statement was wrong, hehe. Not often I disagree with you but this is one of those times. Of course, Its starting to look like you were right about ole Chris Young afterall.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ May 22, 2009 -> 01:00 AM) or short and sweet, call him a p****. You guys know how f***ing stupid that would be for the organization. No player would ever even want to listen to a sales pitch from the Sox since they'd have to think they'd get blasted if they said no.

Hudson did have question marks and the Sox liked Getz. Like it or not they did, although I'd have played him in CF. Sox also might not have wanted to give up draft picks, imo, as I think they value rebuilding the system right now. Abreu had no spot, otherwise they would have picked him up and I'm sure if there were pitchers or leadoff hitters out there we'd have seen the Sox go after em (Hudson was the only one and while we all wanted him, at a point last year he himself wondered if he'd ever play again). Peavy is a totally different fit and someone who isn't just a one year option but a guy you build around. I think the point is Kenny doesn't want to tie up his payroll with meh players, he wants to get a high impact star in an area where the Sox don't have any in-house candidates to fill it.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 21, 2009 -> 06:01 PM) Why's that? Javy's doing a great job for the Braves. Gilmore, until recently, was doing horrible. Flowers is having a good, not spectacular season. I think Atlanta has to be pretty happy about that trade so far. Given the financial savings and talent the Sox acquired, it was a tremendous deal and easily KW's best selling move of his career (Danks isn't a sell move and Floyd is still open but if he does what he did last year for his career than that is an incredible sell). Rodriguez and Gilmore are very raw talents, Gilmore with the ability to be an all star 3rd baseman (if he gets everything on track and he's extremely young and raw) and than Flowers is a f***ing machine at the plate. Nice swing too so he might just be one of those statisticians dreams, solid average, tons of walks, 30+hr power, OPS and OBP machine. And I'm sure the Braves are happy because javy is a darn good NL pitcher.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 21, 2009 -> 06:10 PM) BTW, I just want to thank everyone for a fantastic day on this board. I might get fired from work cause of lack of productivity, but just wanted to say thanks. Ya it was fun. I had a 2 hr meeting in the middle of hte day but otherwise didn't get a damn thing done.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ May 21, 2009 -> 05:53 PM) Unless the Sox find an extra 22 million they are able to spend in '13, the deal is dead. I'll say it a last time. All the AL-NL, family talk is all garbage. This deal all came down to guaranteed money, and Peavy and his agent didn't get what they wanted. The package the Sox sent over was less than impressive. It was going probably going to be Poreda, Richard, Ely, and Lessman. If I was a Padre fan, that is not an acceptable package for an ace pitcher. However, it clearly is the best the Padres can do. Why? Because no one is beating down the door of Kevin Towers given the fact you have to pay Jake Peavy 22 million dollars four years from now. It's not a smart business decision, and one the Sox aren't going to be a part of. Do you know that was what the package was? Also, I heard that the Sox did consider making adjustments that would have allowed them to in a sense pick up an extra year on the contract but that it dealt with deferrals and a restructuring and at this time Peavy wouldn't accept it so it doesn't necessarily mean the Sox weren't going to accept an extra 22M, plus its really an extra 18M (cause 4M is getting paid either way).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 21, 2009 -> 05:40 PM) Someone needs to hire Kenny's speechwriter because you know that isn't what he was thinking when Peavy turned them down. I'm stunned and impressed by those comments. Flat out impressed. Thats an organization that still wants this guy and I think they'll try to make something happen.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 21, 2009 -> 05:21 PM) I'd do the same damn package for Oswalt. I wouldn't, unless the PTBNL were Broadway and McCulloch or Egbert or something. But if it was Hudson and another solid guy, too much. I think Oswalt is nearing the decline.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 21, 2009 -> 05:19 PM) I'm sure KW and JR were in full recruiting mode yesterday and today. For whatever reason, the White Sox still aren't a preferred destination for major league players. Which in a way makes no sense. They have a lot of guys with great reputations on the team. Chicago is always voted favorite road city. There have been ringing endorsements from well respected guys like Thome and Griffey. Dye, Buerhle, Konerko walked away from more money elsewhere to be here. It pisses me off so many want to play for the Cubs but not the Sox. The funnier part is I guarantee if you go around the league, more former players have better things to say about the Sox than the Cubs (ie, out of guys that played with one of the teams). A lot of people leave the Cubs and realize what a nightmare there fans can be. I think in Peavy's case it had very little to do with the org, in fact, I think its respectable that we even got close getting him here since he had issues with other premiere teams in baseball. Our organization as a whole treats guys tremendously and the only reason I would see someone favoring other places is due to location (ie, closer to family or where they lived), weather (Chicago as opposed to West Coast) or spring training location (you live in FL so you want to be on a team that trains there). I can't see someone not coming because the Sox aren't a good team, afterall, they are one of the winningest teams in all of baseball since 1990.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 21, 2009 -> 05:15 PM) I'm in the same boat as you, especially since he's pitching well this year (is hurt now though?)... but it's a blueprint of a FA year for a pitcher, get a few of the big market teams vying for you and than lay a modified Pavano on them I'd much rather go for Lackey, whose been a horse most of his career. I don't put him in the Santana/Halladay mold, but he's pretty f***ing good. And I'm not really stating I'd go that long-term with Lackey either. I would never go more than 4 years on a big money contract for a pitcher. If your paying 4 or 5 years for a young pitcher, understandable as its not as much money or a deal that will cripple you, but in a big money contract, never more than 4 years and preferably three.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ May 20, 2009 -> 07:02 PM) Bigger fluke season: 2008 Gavin Floyd or 2007 Fausto Carmona? Gavin's wasn't a fluke season.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 21, 2009 -> 05:11 PM) Bedard is a FA at the end of this offseason. Webb has a club option this offseason that is sure to be picked up unless he dies. Bedard has too many health risks for the Sox to give longterm cash too. I freaking love him when healthy but no way.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 21, 2009 -> 05:11 PM) Stop making sense. KW said he's been working on this for 11 months, gets an agreement and all Peavy has to say is no for it all to be for nothing. I've always wondered that when they trade guys with no trades. I think the only explanation is just above every player will move if you make it attractive enough. Ya, but you can't go to Peavy until something is done because in all fairness, the Sox are going to have to sell him on the fact and so many other things. Plus you don't want to constantly bother Peavy or really get too involved unless it is serious. I'm sure the Pads told Kenny there was a chance and if they could reach things than you could talk to Jake and try to swing something. It didn't work, no biggie.