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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 08:07 PM) The health care industry doesn't have to spend its money running ads. They just buy Congresspeople. Good. The more, the merrier. And it's happening on the other side as well. Just wait until the lawyers get their hands on the doctors who take orders from the government to cut tests and orders and have no recourse to lawsuits when they come back and say that they were ordered by the government to cut tests. You talk about a gigantic hole and payback to a certain group of assholes.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 07:23 PM) Source please. It's in my own little fairy tale world. It's misinformation. It's a lie. It's something that you need to turn me into the White House for - you know - the hotline for turning people in for lying about health care s***. I'm sure that this link is somehow BS, right? http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseC...83496&EDATE

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 05:17 PM) It's really impressive how you wrote that whole thing without alluding at all to which side the money is on. Stimulus money? There's more ads out there supporting health INSURANCE reform then against it. Just ask ABC and NBC, who won't air ads critical of our emperor, Barackus the Great. If you really follow the money trail, there's a crap load of money coming from the "let's "reform(sic)"" crowd. And if you really dug deep, some of this is taxpayer money, I'd bet. Kind of like advertising on Craigslist to become an SEIU hack to show up for town halls. Money, indeed.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 04:19 PM) Check that image now. The fire is right there. They must have took it down or it's getting too much traffic.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 01:34 PM) Obama is dropping fast in the polls http://www.gallup.com/poll/122513/Presiden...ing-Varies.aspx at 50% in gallup It's going to be interesting to see the immigration reform battle. Just stop health care. Then let the battle begin for immigration. But really, one is tied to the other because immigrants are guaranteed health care with the current proposal (HB 3200). If they pass health care, immigration is easy. If they don't, it's not.

Rex, you want to make the government all cheer-IO, and it's not. The Democrats, just like mr genius said, control the whole shooting match. If they can't get it done, they can't get it done, because THE PEOPLE don't want it. Pelosi's puppies (aka, the Blue Dog Democrats) are running scared because they know the people don't want this s***. Then you've got Schmucky out there saying, fine, reconciliation it is. It's their only hope of passing this thing. If you Democrats want this so bad, accept the piece of s*** for what it is and do it. Just remember your backsides during election day.

How about Kennedy wanting to secretly meet the Soviets to tell them how to counter our president in the 1980s? Great move.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 12:37 AM) In which scene? He's one of the bad cops - guy with the big nose and kind of balding head. He's in the car with Al Pacino about 30 or so minutes in? And again in a few scenes later. Hell, I haven't watched it so long I don't remember. He was in Scarface too - he worked with Al Pacino in 3 or 4 films. In Scarface, he's the cop that busts him when they're counting money.

QUOTE (Tex @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 09:54 AM) He later said he regretted not working more with his political foe in making that happen. It probably shaped his later talents in crossing the aisle and getting things done. Sometimes it takes a few terms before leaders understand how to make bi-partisanship work. He is SO bi-partisan. He's reached out to SO many Republicans since he's been president. Oh wait, he's got his hand out, it's shake my hand, do it my way, or f*** you. Bi-partisan my ass.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 12:01 AM) I can't find the link, but I know I read somewhere that back in the Nixon era, kennedy OPPOSED a version of national healthcare that was proposed back then. I have to find that later. Hell, Obama's voted against health care legislation. Gov't's got to take over (or at least language that's similiar so that we get that OPTION (please)) or it's not health INSURANCE reform (nice change in language - insurance companies SUCK, get them bastards!). /back to Kennedy's a saint talk

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 10:14 PM) Wow, a lot of hostility in that post. I'll just let it be and state what I believe again. If you do poorly at your job, no matter if it's for lack of effort or just the necessary skills to accomplish it, you lose that job. And demonstrating to the other employees that they have to perform their duties correctly or else their job is on the line is just an added bonus. I suppose you do not agree with this method. That is your choice. Either way, I'll continue to do my job which I supposedly have when I return to said supposed job on Monday. Now, if you don't mind, I suppose I'll return to watching Serpico on my nice night off from going out. Supposedly. Serpico. My (great) uncle's in that.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 11:07 PM) How the hell did that not get plastered all over the news? Damn, it was 20 years ago. That's why, it was before the internets. He got his roomie's parking tickets fixed and the whole nine yards. Woot. http://www.congressionalbadboys.com/Franks.htm

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 06:10 PM) I wasn't talking about that, but you're right about this too. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/arti...o_business.html They s*** they can do and get away with is staggering. Well, I meant something totally different as well besides the pure e-sponiage. I was talking about the electromagnetic munitions that pretty much zap crap out.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 05:55 PM) There's not much I can or will say about this specific subject, but I'll say the Chinese are very, very good at what they do and I have no idea what our government is supposed to do to stop them. Although if they did it's not like they'd share that information with everyone anyway. I think that we know what they do, but the way our system's set up, we can't stop it. Then again, if any serious war were to happen, no one would have any electricity or any other means of communication anyway anymore. And I don't think it's "star wars" crap, either. Electromagnetics are a b****.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 04:07 PM) This is great: Glenn Beck goes on a rant using "hidden words" about Obama and how they all have a deep meaning, then cant figure out how to spell Oligarchy properly... OLIGARHY is not a word! *YAWN*

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 05:24 PM) Wow, somehow I missed that little soap opera. It was probably 10 or even more years ago.

QUOTE (Tex @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 03:14 PM) So critics of government health program reforms believe there needs to be tort reform that would stop Doctors from ordering tests to CYA. Congress is proposing just that. Oh, really? In all actuality, they're going to cut tests "to save money" which DOESN'T allow doctors to CYA, which would therefore INCREASE tort issues, which then in reality pays back the trial lawyers that got this idiot elected in the first place, in spades. I see how this works. Let's cut costs, increase tort liability issues, which then produces an environment that is 100 times worse then what we have today because everything is going to be sued the s*** out of it AND rationed at the same time. What a GREAT plan. Which, by the way, by its own side admits still won't cover a lot of the very people that need the coverage the most.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 03:02 PM) I don't like Frank at all, but I wouldn't put him into the Rangel sleaze category, at least not yet. I haven't seen any outward lawbreaking done by Frank. He's a two face who talks out of both sides of his mouth for sure, but I haven't see a criminal side, at least that I know of. I guess that's true. I think I just wanted to say Barney's(pppbth) Frank. Although I think if you were to trace his funding, he's right up there on the sleaze factor - but they all are, so that's no different.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 03:10 PM) Apparently our energy infrastructure is vulnerable to foreign attack. That could really screw us up if the attack was done by a foreign government in concert with an attack. Not sure it means that the proposed measure is a good idea though. That's already been proven - they know that the Chicomms have accessed our electric grid, more or less to see if they could. They can. D'oh.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 03:09 PM) Looking at the nubmers on the "Option ARM" market and when those reset/whatever they call it...we're only at "The end of the beginning" in terms of the foreclosure surge. Especially now that the banks have figured out how to make a lot of money off of the stragglers in foreclosure. What do you mean?

Rangel is one of the sleaziest national politicians we have. That and Barney's(sssppbbth) Frank.

Our next door neighbors, who have been here as long as we have, just walked out the day we were coming up to Chicago. Threw everything they had on the curb and left their house sit. They've got "LOSS MITIGATION" from their mortgage company sitting on their porch, so I know that they're getting foreclosed on (does anyone want to buy a house? anyone, anyone? Anyone? ) I'm pretty sure that the same thing happened to them. The other side of us is in the same boat I am. Their highest income earner got fired for something stupid (it was an excuse to get rid of her). I'll tell you, there are more people I know that have had this happen to them then NOT right now. It's insane. I wish I could refinance, but I don't even want the bank to know my issue. As soon as I refinance, all my other credit probably gets shot, I would imagine. And I'm still able to pay, so I just sit here and hope. The dual income earner thing has changed everything. It really has. I know you say "wants" but a "big house" is a want.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 02:37 PM) My thoughts as well. These scenarios people cook up in their heads where someone takes down the financial sector or some such nonsense are pure fantasy. Its just not possible - the systems are so disparate and so differently secured by each organization and agency that you simply could not do it. The more likely attack would be on a single, high value target. All they have to do is re-route another way (they being the backbone of the internet). It's not like there's one single backbone that can be cut. Gees.

QUOTE (Tex @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 02:07 PM) Which is impossible and poor medicine. Which is what Congress is proposing.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 02:00 PM) Yep, I made a post below with regards to the people in that position, but the reality is you won't have any true recovery until we start seeing the everyday homeowner begin to sell there places and move to new ones. Most sales are new home-buyers and that is a great thing, but its tough when you don't have a ton of people selling nor do you have much new production. Dallas Fort Worth is one of the markets that has lost only in the single digit %'s on home values (they weren't inflated like everywhere else seemed to be) and that's honestly one of the biggest reasons why I haven't opened up my job search anywhere else is there's very little chance of me selling and recouping my loan value. Everyone says just take the loss... I'd only lose probably $10K, but then I think to myself that this job market has to be one of the first ones to come back because it wasn't hit as hard. Then my friends call me and tell me that their companies are still laying off mass people. It's nuts. Sorry for the detour there. NSS: I was just outside pulling grass out of my flower bed. Exciting, huh? And I was thinking about your dual income home thing. I would argue that in a sense, the dual income issue is a part of the "bubble" we're going through now. It led to HUGE inflation. Because our fundamentals changed (household income) it allowed for the money to be put into houses because there were two incomes available to pay for these ginormouse valuations. That's all contracting back. I know it's not "inflation" in the truest sense, yet, it kind of is "inflation". I hope that makes sense. So now, we're going through "deflation" and unless employment comes back, we're not going to see what we saw in 2005ish ever again.