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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 26, 2009 -> 09:16 AM) Who's Paying to Kill Heathcare Reform? Huffington Post. Imagine that. It can't be that people are genuinely upset at these town halls. They're all politcal, paid hacks. And then people wonder why I have cynical post after cynical post.

As will I. I watched Joe Biden, I thought his comments were solid. Obama, on the other hand, f*** him and the horse he rode in on. Seriously. Everything is hackish with this man, and it's bulls***. I'll just leave it at that, but I'm sure this will draw the drones out and support every word he said.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 10:32 PM) I don't know why, but that made me laugh. In reality, however, you be tripping. If he were still alive, Dan Ryan. (yes, he of the expressway) would be 115. The expressway feels that damn old... Cerclunk... EXCEPT this summer. I must admit that I was pleasantly surprised how beatiful the Ryan was after all that damn construction for the 5 previous years. Now they'll start it in 2010 again just to get it done by 2016.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 10:22 PM) as soon as I win the mega millions jackpot tonight, none of this will matter to me. DAMMIT. I was going to buy a ticket too. That bad boy's getting big.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 09:57 PM) There's one big flaw with your logic. If we do nothing, health care will bankrupt this government even faster. There really is no way around it. In 10 years, anything close to the current growth rates, health care spending will be like 25% of the economy. We'll have to shut down the defense department to pay for medicare. If we don't bend the curve downwards (technical expression) then we won't just be talking about the evils of rationing or the evils of deficits. Solve the health care crisis and your long-term debt problem vanishes. The public option is an absolute key to doing that. Okay, (this really should go back into the other thread), but no it doesn't. That's the big lie, IMO. Which by the way, NO WHERE in the other thread or anywhere else have I ever suggested we do nothing. Anyway, with that said: using logic and what they've told us. we'll cover prexisting everything, insure everyone, and yet, there will be cuts in costs massive enough to take care of this deficit caused by other issues? There has to be HUGE rationing to even make a dent in it, and they know it. It's about power and control over SELF, and not property, and that's where I draw the line. Tax me to death - but leave me alone. That's my basic premise. Now with that said, this must necessarily add to the deficit. It has to. And to your point, there's nowhere for the massive influx of wealth like there was in the 1940's to curb this. You cannot entitle the entire world on the US government. Where's the line?

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 09:55 PM) Q: What's green and smells like pork? A: Kermit the Frog's finger. You and your 50 year old jokes, speaking of smelling like pork.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 05:06 PM) Incredible pics GT. The power of nature is incredible. I can't see them for some reason.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 09:43 PM) And instead of a huge fraction of the wealth being concentrated in the hands of a very small and shrinking few, the U.S. emerged from that war with the strongest middle class at any point in the last century. There is no sign anywhere of that purchasing power reappearing. Which then leads me to - you still support bankrupting everything for who knows how long to fund GOVERNMENT health care (BS on the "PUBLIC" option, it's semantics, and you all know it). Oh, what's a few more trillion? It CANNOT be sustained, and AGAIN, instead of throwing out the baby with the bath water, why can't our entire government (forget who's in power right now or last year, whatever) fix the baby instead of throwing in the whole damn ocean?

Well the Linebrink sucks mantra didn't just show up over night. He's been giving up a lot of runs for an eternity. And I can remember Jenks giving up some runs at least a couple of times on either side of the kidney stones issue. It's not been a good stretch for the BP, and when you consider that this is supposed to be a strength, there's trouble brewing, er exploding.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 09:32 PM) I use DVDshrink. It's free. I used to but it stopped working right.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 09:21 PM) What, that Cheney is and always has been FOS? That the latest release doesn't change anything, and I STILL don't think people know the whole story of anything. It's politicized too badly on both ends. This is the biggest hour glass turd in the last 25 years. Let's keep on stuffing both sides of the hour glass pipe with crap, shall we?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 09:27 PM) They may not talk down to their audience enough. Seriously though, NOVA blows away most anything Discovery or History does and its without commercials chopping it all up. Ok, but most people don't. And I don't like the idea of FORCING anyone to do anything. That's kind of the point of all my rants. Back to the point, I really think this whole mentality has had a dramatic effect on our culture in the last 25 years and why some things are not what they used to be, and I mean that in a bad way.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 09:26 PM) There really is a reason that inflation has been not existant for such a long time. The only reason.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 09:20 PM) And that recovery was with a much less competitive global market; WWII completely wrecked major economic power houses. The US homeland went basically untouched as Germany, England, Russia, ect took tons of damage. I guess we need China and India to destroy each other. That would rock, except we wouldn't have anywhere to get our cheap crap from anymore. Then what would we do?

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 09:12 PM) We're unwilling to win a game against Boston, despite them begging us to do so, yet we're going to win in New York and Minnesota? hahahaha Please Detroit, win your game tonight and get this "race" over with. Minnesota will be lots of fun. They are screwed mentally before they ever get there...

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 05:44 PM) I think there are a lot more physical mistakes than mental mistakes and I really don't think Ozzie has lost the team. Explain. I don't understand.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 09:15 PM) A lot of the dealerships are yet to close as well. EOY 2009... that's right, I forgot about that.

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 09:09 PM) with the current "commentary" its amazing that we are still here... 70+ years later. In 1930, the Hoover administration ran a budget surplus by increasing federal tax revenues by more than 5%, even as the economy was experiencing its first year of the Depression. But in 1931, as revenues fell by 25% in the face of falling business receipts and personal incomes, the federal government ran a budget deficit to cover 13% of its expenditures. In 1932, the deficit spending massively increased even further, representing almost 60% of federal expenditures. Between 1929 and 1932, the accumulated federal debt rose by 15% under Herbert Hoover's administration. During the next four years, Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal implemented all of these proposals - in spite of the pledge made in the Democratic Party's political platform of 1932. Instead of "an immediate and drastic reduction of government expenditures ... to accomplish a saving of not less than twenty-five percent in the cost of federal government," between 1933 and 1936, government expenditures rose by more than 83%. To cover this massive increase in government spending, Roosevelt's administration ran huge budget deficits. In 1933, deficit financing covered 56.5% of government expenditures. For 1934, 1935, and 1936, the figures for deficit financing for were, respectively, 54.6%, 43%, and 52.3% of government expenditures. In four years, the federal government's debt went from $19.5 billion in 1932 to $33.8 billion in 1936, representing a 73.3% increase. This is generic (see, I'm trying to turn a new leaf here) but I'll say this before I can argue the point by point some other time. There's no WWII on the horizon to get rid of this mess and make the economy grow like hell. The point is that if absolutely nothing changed the late 30's and 1940 was already starting to show that the massive spending was leading to another downturn in the economy. If WWII hadn't have happened, the deficits would have skyrocketed because there would have been no large economic growth (all other things being equal) to put massive PRIVATE SECTOR money back into the economy. That's what brings you out of crap like this, not government spending. Over time, government spending is a net net wash that really doesn't change the dynamics. For a year or two, ok, for longer periods, where's the money coming from to kill these massive deficits?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 09:07 PM) You know why? Read Cheney's statement. He didn't reference anything else secret. He didn't do anything that acknowledge what was actually in those documents. He basically admitted that they didn't show what they said he showed, but then tried to obscure it by putting out a perfectly worded statement. Even he knew that the jig was up. If there was anything else in there that they'd gotten from what they'd done to the U.S., he'd have made another vague reference to it and the media would have went along. I tend to think like lostfan here.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 06:16 PM) Proved 1 thing...they didn't contain the proof Dick Cheney said they contained. You're so quick to believe what you want to where any of this stuff is concerned. There's still a lot of junk not released and who the heck knows when it will be.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 07:59 PM) Only the third one is true. First one did indeed happen, two rounds of them, and I've seen them closed in town. Another round may come though. Second one already partially happened, and likely will get worse, but supports will be there for development too, so it won't be as horrible as the broader crash was. Inflation, though, I'm right with you there. When the economy does kick back up in a year or two, inflation will go up big, IMO. First one is true as well. There's a ton of those plants that have yet to be idled. Those numbers that you see "post bankrputcy" is after the plants are idled, and a lot of them aren't slated to stop production until 2010. You've got another 100,000 people in JUST GM and Chrysler to go - not to mention now the suppliers you effect because of the "smaller and leaner" companies.

My point is more to TV and not the internet, although it sort of does have the same effect. (this interjected message is to lostfan. f*** you.) Think about this for a second. You watch a show (NOT a movie, a tv show). Your brain is sort of trained to watch the show for about 6 minutes, and then there's a commercial. Your brain sort of just turns off - it's almost conditioning in its own right. Your attention span has been programmed pretty much all your life to be a MAXIMUM of 5-7 minutes, then you just sort of zone out during the commercials, then you pay attention again for 5-7 minutes, then you zone out, and so on. Let's take that to a classroom. Is it any wonder that most high school and younger college kids today (and I'm not knocking you, I'm just trying to make a point) don't pay attention for a whole class setting? Is it any wonder that elementary and middle school kids don't listen? There's so much media (this is sort of where the gaming and internet comes in) that has saturated us that we don't stop and sit down to reason through or critically think through issues anymore. It's something that's been lost in our culture and has HUGELY changed in one generation that I can see. And, IMO, it's only going to get worse. How does that effect this study? People pick up fragments, and they just really don't think about it, they sort of just accept that soundbyte because our minds are conditioned for short bits of information. Thoughts? I just think it's an interesting notion.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 05:38 PM) I don't have any cites to back this up but this seems like false nostalgia to me. We may be bombarded with more jingoism and polemics these days, but I don't know that we thought better in the past. TV an internet(s) pretty much dumb us down. I'll post more on why I think that later. Gotta run.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 05:08 PM) addition by subtraction; i think the count will be great out of the pen I dunno - he's either lights out or just not - and that gets really hard out of the pen. Which Count do you get? Would you trust that in the playoffs if we got there?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 05:07 PM) The key with me is that I really really like this team. I love where the club is positioned for this year and the next 3-4 years and I can't wait to see it all work it. Unfortunately they just aren't quite there yet, but I still wouldn't be shocked to see the Sox go on a huge run (wouldn't be surprised if they didn't either) but have the components of a very good baseball club. Palehose just said it (rearrange deck chairs on the titanic), and I asked it. You watch the games more then I do. Do you think that Oz has lost the team? When I do watch, the mental mistakes are just brutal, yet, that's what Oz is supposed to NOT put up with.