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The point is they've been willing to give up young talent in trades (and not just stunted prospects) for 2nd tier vets. I'm not pointing fingers - heck Fliers helped the Astros for a year or 2. But they have the prospect depth to trade from and are willing to trade it which a)is why it makes sense to trade with them and b)I hope the Sox can keep a pipeline flowing like they have.

Domingo Santana, Josh Hader, Adrian Houser and Brett Phillips for Mike Fiers and Carlos Gomez.

It's called declining vets, such as 33 year old with .678 OPS. At least that one wasn't traded for. Or paying career year price. Still, it is a lot better signing them, declining or otherwise, than trading young players for them. Re the pitchers, that's Gio ...he'd be okay but that price is high.

Astros also made some questionable trades (which is a reason why I want the Sox to trade with them). The Aiken mistake gave the Astros Bregman. They've had their misses, but a long list of successes and great development to more than compensate.

I like them as a possibility too. Maybe Texas.

In that list, I would go Miley or Pomeranz. Keuchal perhaps at 25% off of that price." I would buy puts on Marwin Gonzalez, if such things were available. And Holland

Mystery team: Angels

It looks to me Dan Clark got his info from a player - maybe Schoop. A professional reporter would know that information from a player's friend is not credible to be reported as fact. Clark is an amateur blogger who somehow scored a Twitter blue-check (even Levine, who is a professional reporter, such as he is, and with 250% more followers, doesn't have a blue check). My problem is that he got real obnoxious about it even when he was proven wrong (which was about a week ago when "early January" passed).

I mentioned that I thought was fair - Abreu and a 2nd tier prospect. Andujar was not an elite prospect (50ish); he had a good year - kind of Palka with an extra 30 OBP points. He played his position poorly. The Sox would take the risk that he can never play 3B. If the Sox sign Machado, which one would think is no worse than 50/50 at this point, and if he stays at 3B, then it's moot.

I wouldn't call Robert and Dunning a fair price. Like I said, I'd pay a fair price if the Sox still need a 3B. Or another young 3B top 3B prospect. Beats signing moustakas. Regarding 126 OPS+, the Sox just let a 120+ catcher go for 2 years of relief pitcher; He too is defensively challenged

He was a 30+ year old veteran who never could hit. Nothing like trading for a young promising player.

Okay - whatever. Sox have the prospect depth to pay a fair price for him.

I'd love to get Andujar. Trade one of our OF prospects for him. Trade a second tier prospect and Abreu for him (Yanks could use a better 1B). He seems reasonably athletic and should field the position okay in time; and if he can't, he can still hit.

I wanted India; but my #1 choice was just not taking the Fla pitcher.

Yep, 2 CF. depth bodes well.

Q was a bad trade for the Cubs. They overpaid. Tatis was an absolutely horrendous trade for the White Sox. Much worse in degree. Shields should have been nothing but a salary dump for an org guy.

Will do once the FO makes a commensurate trade to the Sox advantage, or once the FO clears out.

How could we not be better off with Tatis? The Tatis trade did make the major league team much worse, but not that much worse such that a rebuild wouldn't have been in order.

Not a bad idea. You can keep a coach friend on the bench for his entire contract and not disrupt much even if he can't coach. Exactly how long are the aging player friends supposed to sit on the 25 if they can't play?

And Jennings and Soria based on early returns. As well as the secondary prospects in the Robertson/Frazier/Kahnle trade. All for Rule 5 eligible (or near Rule 5 eligible) prospects who had been falling. But this level of talent evaluation is one of the basic reasons they are in this hole to begin with. Heck the Tigers got a decent 3B for 1/2 a year of Avilia. Hahn routinely says after getting a player that he's been after the player for a while. When these guys are 30+ year old veterans, does that have any relevance?

Yes he got a 33% raise after posting a .678 OPS. Great contract negotiation. Don't see the reason he should get any ABs but 300 should be the absolute max.

This has the makings of a much improved 76 win team!

Amen

Okay, so he's another friend of Manny's. Wonderful. But in the words of Rosenthal "“But would #WhiteSox otherwise pursue Jay, even with need for OF help? Coming off .678 OPS at age 33.” How dare he wonder such a thing?

Having a better OBP than the players on a 62 win team is the standard for a good OBP? LOL . Oh and you forgot one: Narvaez @ .366 OBP, a player this board couldn't wait to get rid of (probably because he wasn't a blue-chip prospect, despite being under 30 and improving). This is so ridiculous - Jay is not a good player, won't help the Sox win, and will block younger players. Why?