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Wise move taking time off, because I said it, repeatedly, and as you said, no one wanted to hear it. That December 2013 rebuild got off to such a good start....Eaton was a major player day 1. Might have had a quicker turnaround like the Brewers, had they stuck with it. But after 73 wins in 2014, the FO seemed to encounter a spell of delusion and decided they could compete in 2015, so they rented Samardzija, refused the opportunity to cover the losses in July ("10 game winning streak right around the corner") and they only dug the hole deeper over the next year.

Covey for me. Fondness is really belief that he can be a fifth starter in this league.

I'll credit him for Swarzak and Kahnle. Clippard had virtual identical WHIP and K totals with the Yankees as he did with the Sox. The Sox are paying Soria $9 million; he didn't need fixing. Shields hasn't been fixed. I don't blame Cooper for not fixing him; but I do blame him and the GM for apparently not bothering to find out that his velocity and stuff were way off. I haven't given up on Covey - A few sharply hit balls found holes the other night, but he wasn't mauled. If Covey works out, credit Cooper. Giolito, Fulmer, and Lopez....they obviously haven't been fixed. And dumping Junior Guerra is major misfeasance. They wouldn't have had to bother trading for Shields because he is what the Sox wanted in Shields.

I think the FO over-prioritizing culture and "happy clubhouse" has contributed to this blight. Better players will quickly take care of any "culture" issues.

yes, sir, Omar, clear those bases.

Rivera just doesn't walk at all. Is the OPS, boosted by lofty a batting average, sustainable?

Astros (or anyone) offers nice pieces they should just trade him. No time for sentimentality or good in the clubhouse.

I was beaten mercilessly for saying this 2 -3 years ago (although I didn't express it nearly as eloquently as you did in this post). The media never called Hahn to task on anything. Less than a month after the Shields trade, the FO indicated intent to rebuild, diverting the attention. The Sox bloggers/insiders have basically fawned over Hahn; they've never called him to task either. Perhaps it's because they get access from this regime.

What's the deal with Henzman in the bullpen? Given up on him as a starter, or just no rotation room right now?

The only reason Soria was added to this team was to be flipped. I know he's pitched okay (certainly not great, but okay) overall but this doesn't help. Maybe Minaya impressed scouts.....

Take that Devenski!

Omar is a walking machine even when he isn't hitting well. wish he was a better catcher.

They K too much. If they made more contact, a reasonable amount of that contact would be at least singles. I just don't see how they could possibly walk more than they do now, given the rest of their game.

And Chris Sale was part of the Sox rebuild because he created Moncada et al. Altuve spent his first 3 years in Houston looking like Yolmer does now - I don't know if hit was luck or if Luhnow knew to keep him. Whatever it was, Sox could use some of that.

For the Sox, good starting pitching has usually revealed itself early on. Some take a season or 1/2 a season in the majors to get straight. But that's been about it.

Another big difference for the Phillies this year is that 2 of their young starters who weren't very good last year, are very good this year, one of whom is the guy they got from the Nats for Papelbon. Starting pitching progress is the biggest void so far. Stockpile it.

I'd only trade Yolmer if they get something legit. I think he's better than his #s, but that may be my bias because I like his game in general. I would think Leury would be attractive to other teams...he can play CF and SS. Now while I wouldn't trade him for scraps, I would expect that much either. We may have a MI infield log jam in the future, but it's not here yet. Maybe Rodon can play - I didn't really notice much, but some said they liked his game.

And the White Sox are in their 6th straight below .500 season. I count the Cubs from when Theo was hired; the Astros from when Luhnow was hired; the Phillies from the season that they traded Cole Hamels (which is prior to when their current GM was hired). The Braves won in 2013, had an unexpected down year in 2014, and late in 2014 decided to rebuild: it took 3 years. So if my premise is wrong then the White Sox are in year 6 of the rebuild.

Then let me be more precise on the question. Why does this FO need and deserve more than 3 years to rebuild this organization into a winning team, when the Astros, Cubs, Phillies and Braves needed only 3.

It's reassuring that he's sticking with the rebuild but he didn't really explain why he needs more than the 3 years that the Astros, Cubs, Braves and Phillies needed. He wasn't asked either, unfortunately.

I would keep Avi before I'd keep Abreu. Bad in the clubhouse is a problem, but keeping players because they are "good in the clubhouse" is for the birds, especially on a team like this. Avi hasn't caused any problems in Chicago.

The Sox do need to start the buildup, but the pitching, primarily starting pitching, is the problem (ranked 29th). The young starters have not materialized. Kopech has the same issue the rest of these guys do - can't throw enough strikes. Lack of pitching shouldn't dissuade from moving Abreu. Of course, that doesn't mean "Trade for Syndegard", which is a silly and resource-depleting contrivance.

I tend to agree. With Avi, it appears that the Sox finally have a hitter who is a) really good and b) ascending. This FO has spent so many resources and so much energy over the past decade chasing players who are past their prime. Those are the players to trade away. Regardless, they don't need to move Avi anytime soon. On another note, I thought Santiago's best work in his first Sox stint was as a short-stint reliever. Really nice effort tonight in that regard.

While it's not necessary or probably wise to extend now, we've saw Avi consistently suck until last season and he hasn't since. 1/2 dozen top 100 OF prospects? I can think of 2. Last year the cw was we have too much pitching. We don't have nearly enough. Where are they?

I think they still have a year with Avi to make that decision, right? They can hold him for a year - trade value might actually improve if he rakes, which he might.