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Fans of the 71 win Cardinals debating whether they can possibly part with Edman, Donovan, O'neill or Carlson for a Cease trade.

Well, that's why we're in this position Those are okay Major League K and walk rates. But he earned those in the minors.

Leery of Kjerstad. Ks a lot, doesn't walk enough, chases. Not headliner material, to me.

Understandably so. GMs like Hazen didn't get where they are by trading away their best prospects. Of course also where his is 0-3 and outclassed the playoffs; hopefully, he cracks. If anyone does, it's likely Baltimore (or us). Other GMs would give-in; of course, that's a reason their teams suck and aren't in the market for Cease.

Yea but E Rod was a rent, and while there is a definite sellers market aspect to July, there is also a buyer's market in the sense that the seller has to unload or they get nothing. And as it is, 2 years of Cease is a lot, lot more than 3 months of E Rod.

That was a lousy deal for Boston on paper; no surprise that it turned out lousy. I don't think the Dodgers give up much talent either. The Nats haven't gotten much out of the Scherzer Turner trade. That the Dodgers, who know the Sox players and prospects better than anyone (including probably the Sox themselves) like Cease should send a message to the other teams that Cease is worth trading for; but also is a warning flag not to trade with the Dodgers (especially if they want a prospect kicked-back their way). I'd prefer a trade with the Cardinals, who have given up good players. But no interest at all in their spare parts like Edman, Donovan and all of those failed outfielders, except as a toss in. The Cardinals were a sorry 71-win team last year; about what the Sox would have been, had we not dumped our pitching in August.

That is the quintessential "trade Cease for the junk drawer of a 70-win team" trade. And we'd have to throw in a reliever for the privilege.

The Os could hug 3 or 4 specific prospects really tightly and still make a good offer.

That’s fine. It tightens up the pitching supply and we no longer have to listen to St. Louis fans offering up the junk drawer of a 70-win team for Cease.

Roll Wave! One more to the Peach Bowl!

Well you're probably right and they probably are.

I hope the Sox do that with Crochet.

As a member of the the anti "tear down to the studs" camp, I'd still trade him for Thomas and Pfaadt. I don't know if Az would go for it, but it's not like they had strong rookie years. Pretty bad, in fact.

But we have like 4 Remillards we can park in Charlotte in reserve; maybe they have limited options, I don't know. Nicky isn't going to get any better. I suppose Shewmake might. Anyway, if the idea is to park them in Charlotte, then why not try to get a real prospect out of the deal instead? And then if they sign Merrifield on top of this, it gets really confusing.

I wouldn't trade Kopech because he might be really, really good, so hold on to him and see. The Sox don't have a lot of really, really good. The whole operation is was so effed up last season that I wouldn't sell low on these guys. His two prior years were pretty good. And Manoah, I get it, isn't necessarily selling law. But his blowup was alarming (much greater than either Cease or Kopech's blow-up); the Jays were a good team so there is no context to it. plus the Jays appear to be peddling him, which, to me, means "stay away."

Why take 2 middle infielders from the Braves, only to do this?

There's no reason to trade Moncada anyway. They won't get anything for him; and if they want salary relief, they will have to give to get someone to take him. He's gone in a year, and they don't have anyone else to play 3rd. He's not a terrible player. And it's Pedro's job to create a healthy clubhouse culture; can't blame it all on the players.

The Reynaldo contract is reasonable to me. This Lynn contract, on the other hand, suggests that the Sox will have to undertake some reclamation projects. Soroka is one. And another is our very own Kopech. Trading Kopech WOULD be selling at low value.

Braves got a good deal. 3/$26 with the big money deferred a year v. 3/$24 for Graveman 2 years ago. Reynaldo is younger and better; accounting for inflation, probably a tad cheaper too. I wonder if the Braves don't view the Sox relieves as under-coached.

His 3 fWAR didn't make sense to me given a modest OPS, lack of power and high BAPIP; and it wasn't inflated via defense either (like, say, 'Eaton's 6 WAR was). He does take his walks. And then add injury on top. Not a centerpiece by any means.

They won't get full ace-value for Cease, but should be able to get #2 value. Trade him.

Sorry, wrong thread

Outman was a 4+ WAR player last year. That’s just not realistic to expect him for Cease.

Sox need outfielders. Colas is the only real prospect, and he's on the Padro Sh list. Sox have Ramos, Montgomery and a bunch on the 40-man re infielders. Catching is really a defensive position and you can find those guys; a lot of the hyped catching prospects are hyped more for their hitting than their receiving. And of course, can always use pitching; but so can the Dodgers, so a bit leery of the pitching prospects.

How about an outfielder?