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QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:25 PM) Brown is good against the run. Brown is good against the pass. Williams is good against the run. Williams is not good against the pass. Tmar.....do the math. ok i said this earlier. williams is better against the run than brown. (which is the main part of the job) brown is better than williams against pass. it would even out, except factor in the main point of ss, and williams wins.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) Look... Roy Williams is good against the run Roy Williams is not good against the pass How can you be a GREAT player when around half the time you are below average? if your job is to be good against the run first and foremost, you have fulfilled your job title. great strong safety.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:20 PM) None of this backs up your argument. haha duh, i said that. my argument was what qualifies a strong safety. you guys decided to pick on the fact that i called reed a strong safety. i proved he was for the first 11 games. i am responding to your arguments in that post.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:14 PM) True. Mediocre = average to a bit above average Roy Williams is below average. Something isn't adding up Tmar? ok mediocre is defined as "Moderate to inferior in quality". below average certainly fills those qualifications, no? if you want to be like that then fine. substitute mediocre to below average. i have never said anything other than roy williams is BELOW AVERAGE in coverage. they way i am seeing it is that you guys for some reason are trying to say i am saying differently?

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:08 PM) :headshake what? reed was not the point of my argument. i did not get the point of trying to use whether he is SS or FS against me, which is still disputed by the way. Demps was the teams FS starter for the first 11 games. http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/303043/gamelogs/2005 he got injured, so Reed moved over to FS.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:07 PM) So a below average cover man can be a GREAT SS? if he plays the run great, yes. that is what a typical SS is. mediocre coverage, great run D. of course, every team wants one that has both skills, but those players are few and far between.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 04:05 PM) I did and all you said was that Roy Williams is average in coverage, which isn't true. i said below average.

ok so there are split opinions on what reed plays. doesn't even matter though, since i stated he was good against pass and run. that means he can play either FS or SS. haha way to try to find some way to make me seem wrong.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 03:57 PM) Yeah that can't go both ways or anything... So it ends up being you overrating him, while you complain about other underrating him. Funny. Look you are a Cowboy fan...everytime they are discussed you come in and back them, if Roy Williams was on the Bears you would bash him. ok, then every single argument can come down to people's opinion. why even bother then? coaches, players, and fans each count for 1/3 of the voting. for williams to make it, shows that players and coaches also voted for him. are you better at evaluating players than other players and coaches are? no, you are not. haha and if brown was on the cowboys, you'd bash him. dude come up with an argument rather than just calling homerism.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 03:50 PM) Let's compare Mr. Williams to Mr. Brown shall we? Both plays Strong Safety. Both are excellent against the run. Both are hard hitters. One can actually cover while one gets burned. Which is the better of the 2? The one who does not get burned. Therefore, Mr. Brown > Mr. Williams. That was my lesson. Is Brown as good as Williams against the run? not quite. He is a small notch below. Brown is maybe average to slightly above average in coverage. it evens out. consider then that run is more important, and you have your winner. Mr. Williams.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 03:49 PM) and Ed Reed isn't a SS NFL.com seems to think otherwise http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302218

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 03:48 PM) Obviously SS most importantly must be good against the run but that is no excuse to be pitiful in coverage. He would be good for an OLB, but he doesn't player there, he plays SS which (while run is more important) must be strong against both to be as good as you claim him to be. You cannot be a great SS when you blow nuts in pass coverage. pitiful? cause he got beat twice by speedy santana moss? you underrate is coverage. he was a free safety for the first 2 years of his career. he was satisfactory. earlier in this thread it was said that polamalu is good in coverage but just had lapses. is against washington not a lapse? besides that washington game, he has not been "pitiful", as you stated. ask him to cover a TE, and he will do satisfactory, ask him to cover moss, one of the fastest in the league, and you are asking for too much. he is no better and no worse than below average against the pass. so it ends up being you underrating him, while you complain about others overrating him. funny.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 21, 2005 -> 03:47 PM) Thanks for the lesson Professor Football. no problem.

hey hey, way to be an anti-cowboys homer. works the same way :rolly you take out the words roy williams from my posts, and the same message is there. do you agree with what i said?

hahaha do you guys not know what a Strong Safety is and what his role is? Alright i will teach you guys. Strong Safety (abbreviated SS commonly) is more of a LBer, hence more valuable in stopping the run. Coverage skills would be nice, but doesn't make or break a strong safety. Few besides Ed Reed have both. If you are below average in coverage and excellent against the run, you are one damn fine STRONG safety. A free safety (often abbreviated FS) on the other hand is more of a coverage back, with run stopping a secondary talent. If you have below average coverage skills as a Free Safety (FS), you are not a good free safety. So when you guys try to evaluate safeties, keep in mind that there are two different safeties. It does not work if you compare them to a different position. You wouldn't say "Urlacher isn't good at catching TD passes" cause of course, he is not supposed to be, otherwise he would be a WR. Roy Williams is a strong safety, run is more important than pass. Check and Mate.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) It's a little late, but we do offer the service of suspending anyone that wants us to so they aren't distracted by the allure of the website. i would like a 7 day suspension

QUOTE(hi8is @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 11:32 PM) HAH awsome get el duque off the books and outta the pen... give bmac more time to transition into the leauge.... have another possible ace in the rotation and one in the bullpen..... and no matter how big of a woody you all have for chris young... hes still a prospect... no prospect is a sure thing.... id have to say that a #1 rated CF prospect in AA isnt as important as a possible front line starter with major leauge sucess.... expecially when you are stacked from a minor leauge CF stand point. if you take away young, you are severely less stacked than you were before. front line? if he returns to form ok, but thats a big risk, especially at 12 million per year. you are right, no prospect is a sure thing. but is vasquez?

Lefty One Out GuY

Smart world we live in. The way to stop violence and killing is... more violence and killing. hmmmm. Why do we kill people who have killed others? Guy got what is coming to him? It will make the victim's family happier? It will not, their loved one is still gone. Nothing can change that, and not more killing for sure. Quick, what is the best way to respond to violence? I guess we should believe it is violence. That is an awful precedent to set, that violence solves problems. Revenge is the only reason people want the killer dead. Oh man, if people as a whole start giving into their revengeful feelings, watch out. Everyone has wanted to get revenge, but to say in death row cases that revenge is all right is quite mindless. Do we really want the eye for an eye rule? You steal a loaf of bread from me, I steal bread or perhaps even something else from you. Pretty soon it would become you hurt me, I kill you. It goes downhill from there. You put a man behind bars for the rest of his life, he will regret what he did. He sees the same bars day in and day out and you are damn right he will realize that what he chose to do earlier took away his freedom. Now, isn't that what life is about? Learning. You kill that man, he will have learned nothing. Only possible thing he could have learned was that killing others makes others kill you. That is not right. He should instead be learning that life and freedom is precious, priceless. When he is in jail, he has nothing to do but think about what he has done. He will undoubtedly learn he has done wrong. What is on his mind when he is dead? The answer is nothing. What is on his mind when he is in jail every single day for the rest of his life? What he has done. That is a far worse punishment than anything else is. What gives the right to the government or anybody that they decide who should live and die? Nobody has the right to force his or her way on another person. The killer forced himself on the victims. Nevertheless, the government ends up doing the same and forces itself on the killer. Way to stoop down to his level. I commend you.

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hey this may seem like it came out of nowhere, but did your buddy make the sox pride dvd?

why wont that link work

QUOTE(qwerty @ Dec 8, 2005 -> 10:58 PM) Yes, orton is good too.

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