HuskyCaucasian

I havent seen a thread on this yet, so I thought I would bring it up. ll. legislators move closer toward recall process There is a movement in Springfield to amend the constitution to recall elected officials, much like the law in California. THose involved preety much admite that this is directly aimed at Gov. Rod Blagojevich. Let's talk. I would argue we should talk about how this applies to Blogo, but we should focus on the larger picture: Should voters be allowed to remove an elected official if they believe he is doing a poor job or violated the public trust?

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Apr 5, 2008 -> 12:53 PM) Would have been smart to fact check a 2nd hand story before using it as part of your stump speech for 5 weeks. she would she? why should facts get in the way of a good story?

QUOTE(lostfan @ Apr 5, 2008 -> 12:51 PM) She's done it before, but it ended up backfiring on her in the long run. she only cares about the short term. If she can drag him down in PA, that gives her a boost into NC (which she wont win) and IN (a tossup). She only cares about PA right now. She has to take it state by state. It's risky, but she WILL do what needs to be done.

Clinton didnt fire Mark Penn over his meeting with Columbia... but Columbia did!

Obama seems to have stabilized at 49% according to the most recent Gallup Poll Also, Obama and McCain are tired for the first time since early March (pre Wright)

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Apr 5, 2008 -> 12:02 PM) I'm sure she just misspoke. She's got sleep deprivation. Clinton Under Fire Over False Story Of Health Care Horror Here's the thing. She says in her speech that she head the story from a policeman who heard about this woman. So, this is a 2nd or 3rd generation story. It COULD be very well possible that she is simply parroting what he said as fact. OR, it could be that she heard the actual story correctly and simply has "dramatized it". I dunno. Given her track record, probably the latter. But, I am not willing to pass judgment on this until more info is researched.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Apr 5, 2008 -> 08:47 AM) New Rassmussen They forgot to fix their page header. Still says "North Carolina: Obama 47% Clinton 40%"

Daily Democratic Presidential Primary Tracking Polling Obama- 51% Clinton- 41%

More Clinton Tax fall out... Clinton Tax Returns: One of the "charities" is what ? I'd LOVE to donate money to myself and write it off.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 10:24 PM) Seriously, they're saying this and people in the press are still buying it? Do you seriously believe that there's something they're holding back, or that they wouldn't have put some dirt they had on him out there a few weeks back? There are probably a few things out there that are "controversial" (his meeting with 2 former terrorists in the mid 90s while making the political rounds). It doesnt have to to be significant, all it needs to do is inflict doubt. I reference the Rev Wright issue. Not "major" in the long run, but it wounded him. I think the point I am trying to make is that they really are going to try and actively tear him down and in the end it might well hurt him significantly in the general election. They are doing this for their own personal gain rathe than "the party" like she has been saying this whole campaign.

FYI: Carl Bernstein just said on CNN that he talked with people in the Clinton campaign and they see the polls closing and that if Obama continues to get closer, they have "significant dirt" on Obama that they say they had hoped the media would have picked up by now. and they will get VERY negative and start slinging the mud if she doesnt start to separate from him in the next week or so. This needs to end NOW before PA even votes. The DNC can NOT allow Clinton to go scorched earth on Obama just to drag him down in her DISTANT hope of stealing this whole thing.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 08:55 PM) And on top of that, Saint Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker will be testifying before Congress next week, so there's another element of the fog to get lost in. Good point. But I think they are Wed or Thursday. So, that gives Monday and Tuesday to Clinton. Could be enough to inflict damage. You never know. You can BET if thee are serious tax shelter connections, Obama will nail her hard. This could all blow over. it could cost her PA. I can't predict.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 08:19 PM) Change.... 7 years of suppressing stories until being released at 4PM Friday, when, hopefully, no one is paying attention. After months of asking her to release her tax info, why shouldn't I be surprised that they decided to do so on late Friday afternoon? Here is my take. Normally Friday is a good dump day if it's a quick hit story. This one, however, requires research, cross checks, ect. I think by the time all the proper research is done, this will hit hard Monday morning and give it momentum into next week. We are also in a blog / community journalism culture now. News stories like this have more "average person" research and stories can carry on until the MSM finally picks it up. I knew about the whole Rev. Wright thing about a week before it MSM.

QUOTE(bmags @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 06:27 PM) btw I believe the bigger story right now is probably the mark penn story. in the sort term. It depend son how these "tax shelter" Cayman islands things pan out. It's not illegal, but politically damaging.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 04:36 PM) I'd bet that most of the candidates (the ones with serious money to invest) probably have these kind of connections. I completely agree. Not something I would do, but yes, a lot probably do. This is not some isolated incident.

SEC Opens Investigation of Company Headed by Key Supporter of Clintons The article is from 2007, but the summery (taken from a Digg article) is in relation to their released tax returns.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 04:47 PM) Here's an interesting one. Might be just a mistake by a sloppy, not ready to take a phone call at 3 a.m. staff, but there's about $18 million in income in those returns that is unaccounted for in their summary, according to the Politico (Just go to Drudge and do the math at the top of his page, add in the book deals, salaries, and speaking engagements, and you come up short by about that much) I'll need more detail. Could the $18 million not accounted for be from their yet to be released 2007 returns? Or, are they saying that when you look at the numbers (including projected 2007) and subtract the actual numbers from 109 you come up 18 short? I just want them to clarify before I make a judgement to be fair.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 04:12 PM) Huh? http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB120...4021905843.html http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/23/nyregion...artner=homepage http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...&refer=home It's not good make $109 million dollars over 7 years and have ties to an offshore tax shelter when you are campaigning for the "middle and lower class worker"

In 2005, the Clintons had $5 million of income form Yucaipa Global holdings and $2.6 million in 2006. UH OH!

So, far from the two years i have looked at (2000 and 2001) they are VERY sparse on details. Income for Bill is labeled as "speeches and Writing". no detailed breakdown. Also, the PDF pages are hand numbered... showing they actually left out pages but renumbered them for the PDF file.

Clinton Tax records are out... made over $100 million since 2000.

what would I do if one of Clinton's advisers had been having private meetings with foreign governments? I would answer my own question by saying she is a hypocrite and should fire him immediately.

QUOTE(koch44 @ Apr 4, 2008 -> 02:38 PM) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/04/m...or_n_95090.html Hillary had something to say about Obama and Canada about a month ago it went something like this, "Just ask yourself [what you would do] if some of my advisers had been having private meetings with foreign governments," she said. " Oh i forgot about that! Exact quote: "I would ask you to look at this story and substitute my name for Sen. Obama’s name and see what you would do with this story… Just ask yourself [what you would do] if some of my advisers had been having private meetings with foreign governments."

I am so glad baseball season is back. I can get my mind mostly off of politics and go back to analyzing hit and runs.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/03/mcc...tour/index.html I actually wondered the same thing. He goes around talking about himself and we are expected to think this is just some "get to know who I am" tour? Why didn't he do this oh.... during 2005 or 2006? If this was just a get to know me tour, why only NOW during a presidential race?