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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:57 PM) Would you be cool with him sitting on the couch watching a movie with another guy? Nothing sexual, just sitting close watching a comedy or something. Not at all. And for the record, I do have gay friends, or at least people that I consider associates. And I know gay people through other friends and family. I'm not living in a cocoon here.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:52 PM) J4L, I'll just sum it up like this: Personality =/= sexuality. I just answered his hypothetical. If you can spot a guy and after 10 seconds think to yourself he's gay or think he's gay, that's loud to me. There's a difference between that and more reserved gays. If I had to choose who to live with, which is very important in this case, I'd go with the more reserved. That doesn't mean you have to "hide" it.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) But there are many of us here without a gay sibling that feel exactly the same way as he does. How many times have you called me a bigoted asshole? How many times have you brought up the color of my skin? QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) But having a brother that is gay has given him more experiences and such to share from. It's not just that he may be biased, but that he actually has real life examples to back up his points, he can actually tell you the emotional impact it would have on a child if his/her parents would be embarassed by them being gay. And having a brother that is gay also makes him oversensitive and hyperbolic.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:48 PM) You're blanketing an entire community into a specific South Park character which is already ridiculous. Most gays don't act that way, in fact many are just as "normal" as you and I in every day situations. That wasn't my intent. I know not every gay is that way. But some are really loud about it. I couldn't be around that every day.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:47 PM) It's hilarious that I stated your views of homosexuality were probably born from South Park and a few pages later you type this. That was the best example of 'loud' gay folk I could come up with off the top of my head. And I know a lot of gays personally that act just that way

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:45 PM) I'd rather not live with blacks, they're just more prone to crime thanks to their thug culture. No right or wrong! When in doubt, let's pull the race card. Like I said, if your brother wasn't gay you wouldn't be nearly as anal about this.

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:45 PM) FWIW, without taking sides the point he was making with the porns wasn't that someone was going to intentionally swap a gay porn so that he had to watch it. It was clearly an analogy. I like Steve, but he's the most hard-headed mofo on this site.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:39 PM) Just don't be all the way gay! QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:40 PM) I have no problems with gay people as long as I can remain completely oblivious to the fact that they are, indeed, gay and they're not my child. Totally cool. Yes, I wouldn't want to live with a Big Gay Al clone.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:42 PM) Good question, imo. I'd have to say that yeah, it's wrong but that I understand where the discomfort would come from especially if you really haven't known any openly gay people. No, it's not wrong. It's not wrong because you would have no problem with it. That would be that person's preference. No right or wrong.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:30 PM) Please link me to this statement. I said you have a problem with gay people, which you have since then admitted to... don't put words in my mouth. Maybe it was strange, then. I don't feel like going back. Whatever. But I don't have a problem with them, either. QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:32 PM) Let's go back to this, which was in response to steve saying you had a problem with gay people. Would you move in with a roommate that you knew was gay? Well to move in with anybody you would have to know them fairly well. I guess it depends. You have people that are outwardly gay. Like they have np problem letting the world know. Like you don't even have to wonder. It's obvious. The clothes they wear, the way they walk and talk. Was anybody shocked when Ricky Martin or Lance Bass came out? I don't think I could be around that every day. If you're more reserved about it. And not throwing it in everybody's face 24/7, yeah, I could deal with that.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:20 PM) Would this apply to straight roommates? What if you didn't hear them? Or is it just the thought that it could be or is happening? eta I don't want to hear or see gay sex either, that's not the issue here. Look, this all started when Steve came out of nowhere and said I hate gay people. That's just not true. If I did, I'd say it. I created a scenario in which I could even live with a gay person with two stipulations: If you're gay, fine. Just know that I'm not. Two, I wouldn't be able to be under the same roof while you were interacting with another guy. That's it.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:16 PM) Well, i think he said 99% of men wouldn't want to have gay sons. I dunno that he claimed that that's because of how gross being gay is, though that's clearly his opinion. I do think it's gross. But I can accept if others choose that way. I could never accept my kin choosing that way. I'd feel responsible. Like I did something wrong. And like I said earlier, it would hurt me to know that I would never see a grandchild or that the family name dies (assuming I only had one kid) when he died.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:15 PM) But your ridiculous scenario doesn't say the gay sex is happening on top of you, it says that the gay sex is happening in a separate room under your roof. You don't want segregation, you just want separation? No, just in my case that there's a time and place for everything. Any gay sex going down would not be the time or place for me. I'd have to go to a movie or another friend's house or something until they were done.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:11 PM) I don't get how J4L could read this post and not realize how ridiculous his "stance" is and try to work to better himself and his opinions for him and his future child who could very well wind up gay and shunned by his father. I did read it. And I thought nothing of it. I don't equate me not wanting to be anywhere near gay sex to a white man not wanting to live next to a black man.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:07 PM) Your point is moot. You have no point is basically what you are saying. How is that scenario with gay men different from that scenario with a man and a woman? It's uncomfortable being around other PEOPLE having sex, not other MEN. This is where you must define yourself as having a problem with gay people, which you started out saying you did not. The act of gay sex grosses me out. Yes, just that visual makes me sick to my stomach. That doesn't mean I couldn't interact or live my life among other gay people.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:00 PM) First, with all of your examples, the 6 year old boy kissing another is ridiculous, and there's no telling why said 6 year old would be doing something, heck the kid could be trying to be funny. At age 6, it's very impossible to take anything from said act. There are so many more important things in my future fatherhood for me to worry about, that if my future son told me he was gay I sincerely doubt I'd be disappointed. The fact that he shared that information with me would actually simply be indisputable proof that I did a great job raising him. If you or anybody else were able to accept it, good for you. I'm not going to vilify those that would have it, or think they would have it, in them to do that. I couldn't do it.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 11:57 AM) The fact that you think gay men want to have sex near you, or even think that's a valid or reasonable scenario, just shows that your view of gay men is ridiculous. Everyone is dumber for having read that. I don't know what's hard to understand. I'm not saying that gays just jump each other's bones in front of anybody and everybody. I was just creating a scenario in which I hypothetically lived with a gay guy. I would have to expect that he would bring guys home or have a BF and do what people in relationships do. All I'm saying is I couldn't be there while this was taking place. It doesn't have to be right in front of me. That doesn't make me anti-gay.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 11:54 AM) Thinking is an act. Holding views that homosexuality is shameful and totally wrong are going to shape your views on public policy re gay rights and social acceptance of homosexuality. This is what I was getting at with the ridiculous "round them up" standard for discrimination. Discrimination can be subtle, even subconscious but still pervasive and powerful. Regardless of your broader (and meaningful) question, he still advocated for gays, or at least his own child, staying in the closet to prevent shaming their parents. I can't imagine a definition of discrimination that doesn't include that. And you're naive if you don't think 99% of fathers or future fathers don't agree with me. I just come out and say it without trying to look like a nice guy. If I came home one day and saw my 6-year old son kissing another 6-year old boy, I'd go f***ing apes***. I'm not going to try to be understanding. I'm gonna be like WTF is going on and attempt to put an end to it immediately. Anybody who disagrees, I'm going to pull a Balta, you're lying to me and yourself.

Strange, you seem to have selective reading comprehension. At no point did I suggest that people should stay in the closet. If that's who you are, fine. Balta said that the reason people are afraid to come out is because of opinions such as mine (i.e me saying I'd be ashamed if my son turned out to be gay). My response was that if you choose such an abnormal way of life, you have to be prepared to what goes along with that. And me not wanting to be anywhere near a situation where gay sex was taking place is not me being a bigot. If I go to a video store and rent a Jenna Jameson porn, get to my crib to pop it in and turns out they accidentally gave me gay porn? You think I'm going to sit and watch? I'm takin' that s*** back ASAP and demand free videos for a month. That's what I'd equate it to. Same thing. If that's what you want to do? Fine. I'm not sticking around. That's all I'm saying.

lol. This is why I stay out of here.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:55 AM) I have always found it bizarre that people in many minority groups seem to be the least tolerant of gays. You'd think groups with experience of being the targets of discrimination would be more supportive of different people, not less. So I'd be more tolerant if I were white?

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:53 AM) You said you'd be disappointed for the rest of your life if your child was gay. Hmm, I wonder if those sorts of feelings helps keep people in the closet (and miserable because of it)? Hey, you gotta take the good with the bad when you make that choice. And I'll never believe for a second that people are born gay. GMAB. Mankind would end if everybody were gay. I believe it's a combination of environment, influences, lack of a strong male figure, boredom, curiosity (this is almost always the case with women), etc.

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:51 AM) FWIW, there are tons of hetero (both male and female) that I don't want to think about having sex in the next room either. QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:53 AM) Pretty much. I dont' want to hear my roommates having sex regardless of the fact that they are straight. Oh I agree. I'm just saying. It'd be A LOT different for most people were it two guys.

Well I was trying to create a visual to strengthen my point. But yeah, I guess I could've just said having sex or whatever.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:37 AM) And a lot of them do that because of the exact attitudes you've espoused in here. That's not my problem. I didn't say anything outlandish or vulgar. QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:37 AM) My point was that if you're going to discount my opinions because of personal experiences, why can't we discount yours because of lack of experiences? LOL, nothing ignorant there, certainly no problems with gays! They just need a separate water fountain house. I didn't discount it. But I can tell you're getting a little worked up. QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 10:37 AM) Your vision that they'd somehow want to put on a public display for you, that they'd want you anywhere near them while they are having sex, that they'd woop it up anymore than a man and a woman, it's just ridiculous. You come off as someone who learned everything they know about gay people from South Park. Nobody said a public display. But s***, if it's midnight and they're in the room doin' their thing and I'm in the other room and I heard moaning and s*** going on, yeah, that would bother me.