Jordan4life_2007

I want Rios gone if we're 6 or more games out of it by the trade deadline.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 09:13 PM) I'd like to see Infante called up. Trade Pena back to the D-Backs for Putz. I miss shortening games to 6 innings. KW needs to stop trading for a couple years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 07:03 PM) Now that would be the definition of injury prone. Yup. That's why I stayed away from him in fantasy. lol. I don't care how you get injured. When you're always getting hurt you're fragile in my mind.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 06:50 PM) Ugh, I hate when people place all of the blame on one person when multiple people were at fault. The defense AND Thornton let us down last night. Matt's at fault. But I'm a lot more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He's been so good for so long that I think we take it for granted. JP? No comment. If he's not going to catch the damn ball he has next to no worth. I dismissed what happened in the Tampa game as a fluke. But again? Unacceptable.

Josh Hamilton out 6-8 weeks. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Asun...angers-hamilton

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 05:58 PM) You know Baseball America called Edwin Jackson the Dodgers best pitching prospect since Pedro in 1993. That is the only reason I brought it up, because that comparison was made (not by me). http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/featu...0s/dodgers.html 2004 was a longggggg time ago.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 05:54 PM) Seems like all I'm doing is checking PFX today. Jackson's fastball is on average ~ 2 mph faster than Hudson's. Jackson sits at around 94.5, Hudson sits somewhere around 92.5-93.5 (not several seasons of data on him yet). Fair enough. I was looking more at what I've see from the two since the trade. But it seems to me Hudson can consistently dial it up at 94/95 from what I've seen.

I won't be able to stomach another Mark Teahen clown act at 3B.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 05:45 PM) Come on now, Jackson has better stuff than Hudson. Stuff doesnt make you a better pitcher, but Edwin has more of it. I have yet to see any publication put Hudson on par with a guy like Pedro, which is the type of talent Jackson was working with. I don't see it. At least not since the trade. FB velocity is roughly the same. I think Jackson has a better slider while Hudson has a better changeup.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 05:28 PM) I don't consider pulling a starter after 99 pitches treating him "with kid gloves." Considering that very few managers let their starters go more than 115 or 120 pitches, 99 is still an appreciable amount. Unless the entire bullpen was sucking wind (like in Jackson's case), pulling him at that point seems pretty reasonable. In addition, I think that last night's decision had a lot to do with Ozzie testing Thornton. For all I know, it could've been the main reason. And I'm totally fine with that. If Ozzie had said this I wouldn't have a problem at all. But saving Mark on April 11th? Not buying it.

QUOTE (IamtheHBOMB @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 11:38 AM) Jackson going crazy means we're "f***ed"? In what world? The reality is that he probably won't re-sign here in the case of a good OR bad year because of his agent. I think it's fine to take the long view when discussing the makeup of the team -- but the 2011 season is only like 10 games old! Try to enjoy Jackson and Danks while we have 'em. I don't care if Jackson goes Felix Hernandez this year. If he walks after this year then the trade will have been a colossal fail. Hudson is right on par with Jackson from a talent/stuff perspective. And he likely has better command/control. Forgot about AL/NL crap. And Arizona has another 5 years or so before they have to worry about losing him to FA.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Apr 12, 2011 -> 05:18 PM) It used to top out at 91, and the decline has to with the number of innings he's pitched. If we have to treat a soft-tosser like Mark with kid gloves from here on out then I don't want him back next year. That's just me.

Mark's FB tops out at 85 MPH. His cutter has changeup-like velocity. Ozzie is full of it if he's claiming to be "saving" Mark this f***ing early in the season. No disrespect to anybody in particular, but I get the feeling Ozzie or Kenny could convince some of you that you have a twin growing out of your ass if they really wanted to. I don't have a problem with Ozzie pulling Mark (though I did disagree with it at the time). But the reasoning is insulting.

I've evolved into the biggest 'pessimist' on the board. And I still can't bring myself to worry about Matt. The velocity is there. Hitters didn't suddenly 'solve' him because it's the 9th inning that he is now pitching in. His defense has betrayed him twice (thanks, Pierre). He'll be fine. He's one of three players I have no worries about this season, Danks and Dunn being the other two.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 10:30 PM) Rongey was calling it the right move before he even heard Ozzie make his comments. He said "Pierre would have dropped the ball if Buehrle was out there". Buehrle would have thrown a pop up or a groundout! Ranger, Hawk, Merkin. Ignore them at all costs.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 10:19 PM) No, terrible. 3 straight blown saves? I don't give a f*** if he had nobody playing defense at all. Did Jenks ever have 3 straight blown saves? We can't afford this crap. There are other options and Thornton, IMO, has proven all there is to prove. I respectfully disagree with you and others who have made good points. Believe me, I recognize how fragile the closer role is. I just can't get behind Matt's stuff not being sufficient enough. We're not talking Fernando Rodney or Brandon Lyons here.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 10:14 PM) A month? You have to be kidding. So if he blows 3 more saves in, say, 2 weeks... still keep his ass out there??? I really hope you just worded that incorrectly. Sale? A rookie who hasn't exactly flourished this year? Santos? Would we really be any worse off if we left Thornton in the role for now?

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 10:14 PM) How many chances does he get? We have 3 blown saves already and he's recorded exactly zero successfully, hell, he hasn't even come close to closing a game. I think the experiment is over now, before we give away any more games just for the sake of 1 player. And you're denying with sufficient defense he'd have blown the last two? Don't get me wrong. I'm not letting Matt off the hook. But I just don't feel all that confident in letting Santos take over the role. That first sentence didn't sound right. But I'm drunk and I know you can understand what I meant.

I believe Thornton deserves a solid month until removed from the role. I'm sorry. He's been too good for too long. I just can't believe the 9th inning is that big a difference from the 8th inning.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 10:04 PM) Well, that supports those that think pulling him was the wrong decision. Pretty much. He has no credibility whatsoever. The Sox have never made an incorrect move in their history according to Pink Fuzzy Bunny. I said in chat that there was no reason to pull Mark at 91 f***ing pitches. 91 pitches for him is like 130 for Justin Verlander. Yahoo says it was 99. Still. I would've started him for the 9th.

Like I said in chat, when the Twins start playing the Royals, Indians and Tigers will look back on these dumbass losses and wonder, "what if?'

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 09:56 PM) He faced three batters and they all hit the ball hard. He wasn't fooling anyone tonight. Hasn't looked good in the closer role at all so far. Thornton deserves the benefit of the doubt for now. How does one dominate the 8th yet can't pitch in the 9th? I need more date in this case.

I was having a great time tonight. In chat with a lot of my Soxtalk brothers. Until this bum decided that he wanted to go back to pre-little league. Juan, you are awful. I can't stand you. The fact that we had to trade for you in the first place is a black mark on this organization. You make me sick. The end until I come up with something else.

How, again, is Thornton not a closer? His D has screwed him for the second time. His stuff didn't vaporize overnight.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Apr 11, 2011 -> 09:39 PM) I wonder what Boston's asking price for Bobby Jenks would be....it's certainly worth a phone call from Kenny to find out. No thanks. It's not that bad.