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Freddy's like that old beater car with over 100,000 miles that shouldn't run but somehow does.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ May 18, 2010 -> 01:19 PM) I like Freddy Garcia and all, but he really does take his time out there. He's the antithesis of Mark Buehrle.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ May 18, 2010 -> 01:16 PM) and then Matt Black Smoke Thorton will come in and kill all the Tigers He'll give them the choice to come with him first...then kill those who don't.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 18, 2010 -> 01:13 PM) Maybe we'll see a polar bear run across the field later with the grounds crew chasing it.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 18, 2010 -> 01:11 PM) WTF is going on here?! Is this a tie in to Lost? Are we watching an alternate reality? It's the sideways world. On the island it's 6-0 Tigers.

Omar!

Juan!

QUOTE (Capn12 @ May 18, 2010 -> 01:05 PM) Teahen with a hit! !

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 18, 2010 -> 09:18 AM) Vizquel back in the 2 hole for today's game per Gonzalez. Omar!

QUOTE (chisox2334 @ May 17, 2010 -> 07:21 PM) http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/wh...-051710.article for those happy that coaching might get fired. Eh. I didn't necessarily gather from the article that coaching changes would be made. However, maybe KW is re-thinking his giving Ozzie control over the coaching staff. Regardless of who's at fault, this team has to turn things around now.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 18, 2010 -> 08:31 AM) I don't think there's anything to those whispers, the timing doesn't make sense. If you were going to send Beckham down, why start off with the supposed 2 day benching rather than just sending him down? It's too early to make sellers' deals because you don't want to call up anyone (i.e. Flowers) until after June 1 to save the arbitration year. Good info, thanks. I suppose a lot of the whispers we may hear are wishful thinking. At least the whispers of change. It's a very frustrating time to be a White Sox fan right now.

So yesterday in the game thread there were whisperings of changes coming today or tomorrow. Anyone know anything? I have a feeling Beckham might be sent down...I just hope that doesn't mean Vizquel gets more starts. But of course then the option is Nix.

12:05 start. Another day of low production at work and much swearing at the computer.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 17, 2010 -> 11:20 PM) Trust me. i love, A.J, and it'll be a sad day in White Sox land when he's no longer on this team. I love A.J. even more (shockingly) then i love Nix. I don't think Nix needs to have a huge part on this ballclub, i just think he should have Omar Vizquel's part on this ballclub. This might be the best statement I've read in a while. So simple and so, so accurate.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ May 18, 2010 -> 12:51 AM) --Astros territory? Dude, look at our f***ing pitching staff. Seriously, look at it. Just do that. It's sick. If there's any possible way to get to the playoffs we could run the f***ing table. Peavy-Buehrle-Floyd-Danks in a row with Big Balls Freddy Garcia in the bullpen as insurance? Have you seen the kind of dogs*** other teams run out there in the playoffs? Kenny needs to get off his ass and get a bat. Then we'll see what happens. IMO we need to try to win because that's the best cure, winning. Blowing up the ship and losing just makes it tougher to win. And as for the money part of it, I mentioned that in an earlier post in this thread, but the Sox were bulls***ting all the way. They had the money to fix the offense but they listened to Ozzie's moronic opinions and opted against it, and now they're going to cry poor? f*** them. First of all, good post and good discussion. On paper, I agree with you about out pitching staff. It should be one of the best, if not the best, in baseball. Unfortunately it hasn't played out that way...yet. Garcia has been a very pleasing surprise, but Buehrle and Floyd have been surprising for other not so good reasons. But you're right about one thing for sure, the offense has been atrocious. Even when the pitchers have given up 4 or 5 runs, the offense had plenty of chances to come back and win the game. With a lineup consisting of Vizquel, Kotsay, and the slumping Teahen, AJ, and Alexei, however, it's not hard to see why we're not winning games. The acquisition of a bat and the DFAing of Vizquel and Kotsay could vastly improve this team. I still think that if KW made a move to improve the team, it could bolster the rest of the team and players like AJ, Teahen, Alexei, and Quentin might come around. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the players are feeling like us fans are and wondering what the hell is going on. Hell, even Vizquel was wondering what the hell Ozzie was doing by playing him as DH! Long story short (too late, I know), I think getting a big bat would help immensely, but I don't see it happening. There will be changes, and Beckham may go down to AAA for a stint or AJ might be traded or Kotsay might be DFA'd, but I'd bet the cash in my pocket that KW will not make any significant move to improve this team for 2010...and I wouldn't blame him.

Not a lot of luck with game threads. Anyhoo, has there been any word on a make-up date?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 17, 2010 -> 03:33 PM) He is always a threat to weakly ground out to 2nd. Well, he might chop it so that it'll bounce twice. Let's be fair here.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 17, 2010 -> 03:09 PM) That's going to get people excited, be careful. If he gets hurt, Ozzie will just DH him.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ May 17, 2010 -> 02:37 PM) Actually, in 2011, Peavy and Rios will combine for $28M. Gonzalez has an option for 2011, so lets assume we sign him to a deal, by 2012, we are looking at $29M from Peavy and Rios, with another $17-$20M from Gonzalez, so you could be talking $45-50M, or literally HALF of our payroll in 3 players. Yikes! I was way off. That's even scarier.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ May 17, 2010 -> 02:26 PM) Yeah, I guess Konerko and Jenks are about $20 right there, but I am still not sure I want sooo much money tied up into Peavy and Gonzalez. I'm not sure of the exact numbers, and I'm too dumpy and lazy to look them up, but Peavy and Rios make up about $20 million for 2012? And I imagine Gonzalez would command upwards of $15-$20 million. So, yeah I agree. It would be nice, but having $40 million of a $95-$100 million payroll tied in three guys is iffy.

I'll give a game thread a shot...maybe it will result in a win. 12:05 PM first pitch. TV: CSN Radio: 670 AM

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 17, 2010 -> 01:29 PM) If Flowers is the everyday starter, would you still want Lucy backing him up? I'd have no problem with that.

QUOTE (Real @ May 17, 2010 -> 09:38 AM) AJ isn't making that much money that you even consider dumping him, given all of the things he brings to the table. He's not even tendered past this year! Not to mention you aren't going to get ANYTHING worth a damn that will offset what you're losing if you trade him. You think teams are going to give up a top prospect for AJ? I mean, really? Stupid trade idea. How about coming up with a trade that actually makes sense? Oh, and if you think the White Sox are going to tear up whatever semblance of hope their fans (not you, or me, but the casuals that go to games and don't sweat if the team loses) have, by having a firesale and dumping 8 or 9 faces of this franchise, and risk an all-time low attendance in 2011, keep dreaming! They'll come up with a way to dump a guy here and there, and plan it out so the team still looks competitive next year and still be alright financially This team is screwed though, as far as actually WINNING divisions. What's the philosophy of the White Sox as a franchise? Do they teach ANYTHING to their prospects coming up through the system, that can be expected of them once they reach the big leagues? Look at the Twins, Rays, Yankees, even the Nationals, Angels. These teams are doing it the right way. A way this team has never done it. This franchise as it stands has no definition. Just a generic organization that doesn't have a strong farm system, or scouting department. They can't properly evaluate talent in the minors OR in the majors. You can group the Sox in with other generic franchises like the Rangers, Mariners, Tigers, Indians, A's, etc. Teams that aren't expected to be competitive on a yearly basis. If this organization doesn't develop a philosophy, a philosophy where all players are expected to understand what this team is about, a philosophy where players and management care about performing at the highest level, then it's going to continue on being a gigantic clusterf***, like it has been the last 2-3 years flame away! I could feel the anger through my computer monitor. Wow.

You know what's sad is if the Sox did trade AJ and/or Konerko and/or Jones and then DFA'd Vizquel and Kotsay then brought some young guys, we'd probably feel better about the team. I'm not saying they'd complete and make a run at MN, but they'd probably be a little more exciting to watch.

Hitting-wise, I don't think Flowers would be much worse than AJ is right now. But AJ brings a lot more than his bat to the game. That being said, I still think he gets moved, and I wouldn't mind seeing Flowers. I would imagine that we'd see quite a bit more of Castro, too.