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hey if you're ok with missing the draft we'd still love to have you. i just really dont wanna have one team with a bye every week.

sorry to put this on the main board but we'd love to get one last person in on this draft. it's at 1:00 PM today ID: 213418 Password: soxtalk it's a 6x6 with Holds and OPS added in. JUMP ON IT!

we're still missing one player and i dont know who it is. i dont really want to PM everyone because for some reason there's no easy way to PM multiple people at once, but if i have to i will. Whoever it is either join up or let me know you're not going to and i'll fill the spot. thanks

so... including last year we dumped Mackowiak, Iguchi and Uribe all for absolutely nothing in return. cool.

QUOTE(elrockinMT @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 02:28 PM) Some of these observations are worse than any move the Sox have made. There is alot of upside to keeping Joe Crede and Josh Fields and Fields may very well need more time in AAA. He is not a polished fielder and he strikes out way too much. Just because some of us believe Joe should stay doesn't make us lower than whale do-do. I wish people would leave out the judgemental stuff and the name calling. Both Joe and Josh are good players and you don't give up either one for just anything or worse- nothing. Back up here please and take a look at things without prejudice or rancor. josh is already getting to be too old to be a prospect anymore. he's 25 years old. he needs to be up with the big club. period. he's got nothing more to learn in Charlotte that he wouldn't learn BETTER in Chicago. At some point you've got to let the kid play. And when the choice is between a guy with a surgically repaired back who is 5 years older and gives you mediocre numbers and a kid who's just coming into his prime and has great potential and at this point gives you near identical, if not slightly BETTER numbers than the older guy... you go with the kid.

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 12:31 PM) Well he plays on that team doesn't he? I would not want him on the Sox. His K's are a killer in the middle of that lineup. !?!?!?!?!? you wouldnt want adam dunn on the sox? what planet are you freaking on? who cares about K's when you walk 100 times, hit 40 homers and drive in 100? so i assume it was Jim Thome's fault last year that we won 72 games. he was on this team you know.

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 12:25 PM) Yeah I thought Dunn was a little worse, change that to poor mans Richie Sexson. The key here is "poor mans". Also, Dunne puts up good numbers but I'm not sure he will ever play on a winning team and some of the fault lies with him. ...everything you say man... it's DunnE's fault that the reds aren't a winning team?????

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 11:22 AM) Wow. Hate to burst your bubble but Fields is the next coming of a poor man's Adam Dunne. what exactly is bad about this? oh yeah i forgot... joe crede is a MUCH better player than Adam 40 HR 100 RBI/yr Dunn

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 10:56 AM) How would our 3rd base situation look if we had the prospects this offseason to get Cabrera at 3rd. Crede's crew would be talking about Crede's silver slugger and how we should trade Cabrera, but lets get back to reality. But alas, its all about winning now. Winning today. Screw prospects, they never get us anything. Well unless we had prospects and then sometimes you can get a pretty damn good player. Thank god we won a few more games last year. That number 3 pick overall is so overrated, you can get the same dude at 8. I mean Alvarez = Jordan Danks anyway. LOL amen to that.

it's a 6x6 with OPS and HLD draft is this saturday at 12:30pm ID: 149299 Password: baseball JOIN UP!!!

QUOTE(IowaSoxFan @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 10:50 AM) I think that lineup finishes fourth in the division. i agree...

QUOTE(Princess Dye @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 10:45 AM) Considering the position Crede plays, if he has a dynamite year for a bad Sox team this year, we could get some better prospects than what you speak. He's more likely to fill a need for several teams, so we can have some bidders. Again, that's only if he's at his 2006 numbers. Even if said scenario doesnt happen though, you can bring Fields up at that point anyway and get him a half year of MLB experience. All adds up to play Crede now. thats what he got last year. how bout we give him a full one?

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 10:42 AM) What's scary was I was just about to make a post about him resembling Williams and his stance on the club... hahaha.... .... i guess that's not really funny...

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 10:41 AM) And how many times have the yankees missed the playoffs in the last 15 years? Maybe once. and we dont HAVE that type of money! jeez what don't you get about this? we dont have the money to be the yankees, we can't just throw money at FA's and call that rebuilding. You NEED prospects for the future. You NEED a system. Sure most won't pan out. but you'd rather wait and rely on other teams cultivating these players then paying top dollar for them? i think i'd rather cultivate them myself and have them cheap. if Jenks were a FA how much do you think he'd make?

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 10:39 AM) The Sox are contenders now! I'm talking about the future that everyone is worried about. C'mon people, who cares about 2009,2010...worry about that when the time comes. I'm sure there are a few dozen players going into free agency next season. Detroit has holes, Cleveland has holes, Jesus, let the season play out before you right them off. i am SO glad you're not our GM....

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 10:34 AM) They have these players called "free agents" every year. We have young talent to build around. A move here, a move there..holes filled. goodness! why didn't i think of that? it's all so easy!

QUOTE(Princess Dye @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 10:29 AM) If you think attempting winning in 2008 is pointless, then you probably believe we'll be bad fast, and Fields will be UP HERE ANYWAY by midseason. Furthermore, does Fields playing in AAA another year really "stunt" his progress? My belief is talent comes to the forefront or it doesnt. He's 25. and it has. he's shown he can be a starter in the ML. you're right, he's a 25 year old who can play in the Majors... how does sending him back down NOT stunt his growth?

QUOTE(Kenny Hates Prospects @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 10:27 AM) Not to be a downer, but I think it is kind of foolish to expect to contend this year. Even if Floyd and Danks turn out to be these "top of the rotation starters" the Sox have touted them as, which is a huuuuuuuuuuuge if at that, there will still be growing pains. And even if Jerry Owens turns into a capable lead-off man (OBP .350+, high SB%) which is another monolithic if, he is going to have to make his share of adjustments as well. Ditto Fields, ditto Quentin, ditto Anderson, ditto Richar, ditto Masset if he's the long man. Personally, I'd much rather see Uribe and Crede dumped off. If the Sox can find a team willing to take on the whole contract in exchange for a non-prospect I think that is the best case of the most likely scenarios. If not and the Sox are forced to take on another bad contract, hopefully the Sox could pick up a serviceable utility guy. If not, just look for a lesser bad contract and release that guy. Add Rouse to the team as a backup SS at the league minimum. Who f***in cares anyway. My roster would look like this: Starters vs. lefties/starters vs. righties/back-ups: C Pierzynski/Pierzynski/Hall 1B Konerko/Konerko/Swisher 2B Richar/Richar/Ozuna (1), Rouse (2) 3B Fields/Fields/Ozuna (1), Rouse (2) SS Cabrera/Cabrera/Rouse (1), Ozuna (2) DH Quentin/Thome/open LF Swisher/Swisher/Quentin (1), Anderson (2), Owens (3) CF Anderson/Owens/Anderson RF Dye/Dye/Quentin (1), Anderson (2), Owens (3) That's 13 position players and a 12 man pitching staff. Start Ehren in Charlotte to give MacDougal one last shot at not sucking, then if he doesn't suck, deal him for something of value and call up Ehren. Start Masset as the long man again, hope he doesn't suck, and then when he does go to Egbert or Broadway if one of them isn't already in the rotation covering Gavin's ass. not so sure about that part... and richar over Alexei?

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 10:22 AM) Are you more concerned with having a good MLB team or AAA team? Don't over value prospects because thats all they are...prospects. I think there's list a mile long of "can't miss" prospects who never made it. If Kenny wanted a good farm system he could have it tomorrow, but he wants the White Sox to compete now our farm system. I never said Fields sucks, I just said Crede gives us a better chance to win in 2008. Thats all that matters. really?

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 19, 2008 -> 09:39 AM) I still haven't read one valid statement on why Crede SHOULDN'T be the Sox starting third baseman. Yeah Fields hit 23HR last season, but the team was out of contention and all he did was take HR swings every AB. Fields also struck out twice a game and has trouble turning a double play. Crede is a top 5 defensive 3B is all of MLB, like someone stated earlier our pitchers need all the help they can get behind them and Fields makes our pitchers worse. I would say they're close to equal at the plate, but still give Crede the edge. Fields has yet to play a full season. Crede's last full season was .280 30HR 90RBI. Granted that was the best year of his career but no reason to believe he won't hit 25HR and 80RBI this season. Fields should go down the charlotte and work on his defense because he is one of the worst defensive 3b in all of MLB. Face it, if Crede is still here come opening day he will be the starter and he should be. Crede will help the Sox win more games then Fields in 2008. I don't know why everyone overrates fields so much. why do you think josh cant hit 25 hr and 80 rbi?

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Mar 18, 2008 -> 10:54 AM) Some people on MSNBC are declaring this one of the most IMPORTANT and SUBSTANTIAL speeches on race int he last 40+ years... and they might be right. i wouldn't disagree... damn... i'm finally legitimately impressed by obama. crap. lol

even i was moved by that speech... damn. well done.

i mean... i think i'm gonna have to do it and go w/ my dukies... i like their bracket and i'd love a duke unc rematch.

i've only had one complaint about the time/date so far... are we SURE that this is ok with everyone else?

wasnt this on saturday?