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And if you werent aware of one of the most important differences, Brust could NEVER receive a Big 10 scholarship, not even if he sat out like Uthoff. Uthoff just has to pay 1 year, that is the worst Bo Ryan could do to him. Uthoff always had the right to sit 1 year and then get a scholarship. http://thegazette.com/2012/06/06/jarrod-ut...o-play-at-iowa/ Can we put to bed the Brust and Uthoff comparisons because they are so different its insane.

QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 07:49 PM) HIMYM was suppose to be new. My DVR recorded it but was season premiere rerun. Wtf I was about to post that my tivo has been lying lately.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 07:42 PM) The Big Ten conference put a restriction on Brust going to another Big 10 school initially, but Wisconsin had Brust appeal. Uthoff practiced with Wisconsin and although redshirted, participated as a member of their team except for the games. He earned his scholarship, which at least whe I was in school was for one year at a time. He did his part. It's not as different as you want to make it. In fact, one of the articles you posted mentioned their similarities. Thats not true. The Big 10 had a rule that did not allow for any in-conference transfers without a waiver. 3 schools asked for a waiver, it was rejected. 2 schools then appealed that decision. http://host.madison.com/sports/college/bas...1cc4c002e0.html Youll notice that a large part of the argument was based on the fact Ben Brust never enrolled at Iowa and therefore Iowa would not have been hurt by this. That argument assumes that in general a player transferring after they have enrolled does hurt a program. As for the second part. You can argue Uthoff earned his money, its not about that. I just think when you portray Uthoff as a victim, you need to at least recognize he got something very valuable from Wisconsin.

Ill presume that means they won.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 07:15 PM) And how many of those schools took other Big Ten School's players? lol I have no idea because its irrelevant. Iowa was not forced to release Brust from his commitment. Iowa gave Brust a full release, which was THEIR CHOICE. Brust chose Wisconsin over other schools. Its not comparable, because Iowa chose to release Brust. Not to mention it was in part due to a coaching change. If Ryan left Wisconsin and Uthoff wanted to transfer, it would have been an entirely different matter. Also, what does it matter whether OSU/Michigan or any other school took another Big 10 player? Isnt this about how bad and unfairly Uthoff was treated. Doesnt that presuppose he was treated differently. Since you are the one making accusations, why dont you find another Big 10 player who received at least a full years scholarship and was allowed to transfer without ANY RESTRICTIONS. You keep wanting to compare to Brust, who never received a dime or any training from Iowa. Completely different.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 06:54 PM) I think people were questioning Ryan's restriction of Iowa State more. Bo Ryan was on vacation during that time period and had no clue what was going on. When he returned he removed the Iowa State restriction. The rumor was he thought there maybe tampering. Uthoff could have gone to Iowa State. At the end Ryan did the same thing everyone else does. Here is Tom Izzo (not Bo Ryan's friend btw) http://host.madison.com/sports/college/bas...19bb2963f4.html

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 06:39 PM) any post that calls Joe Scarborough an expert is very likely to be joke post in itself. even better if it's a joke that is worked into a Nate Silver critique. Dont know who Joe Scarborough is. I hate political commentary.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 06:37 PM) I don,t know if he still had time on his contract, but if he did I wonder what Ryan would have done if Wisconsin-Milwaukee wouldn't have let him take the Badgers job. There was zero reason to do what he did to Uthoff. The guy didn't even play. My guess is there was a buy out clause. And if there wasnt, to bad for Bo Ryan. Dont sign an agreement if you arent going to fulfill it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 06:37 PM) Why would they get a check. It's not like the university is out the money. If the guy averaged 30 points a game and made Wisconsin big money, would he get a check? Players transfer all the time. Ryan showed everyone why the kid didn't want to play for him., and why let him transfer to some schools but not others unless your whole point is to be a dick? Players transfer with restrictions all the time. Most players dont cry like Uthoff when they are restricted from transferring in conference. The whole point is that the University of Wisconsin is out for the University of Wisconsin. And Uthoff had a year to learn the ins and outs of UW's system. They have every right to restrict where he goes, they had every right not to release him and force him to go to a more prestigious university. No one forced Uthoff to go to UW. No one forced him to take the money. He signed an agreement, and then he didnt want to fulfill his end. Not only didnt he want to fulfill it, he wanted NO REPERCUSSIONS. How is Uthoff the victim here? http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball...nd-restrictions Evan Smotrycz (Michigan) -- Not able to go to another Big Ten school or any team that has been scheduled for the next two years. Rayvonte Rice (Drake) - Can't go to another Missouri Valley school or Iowa and Iowa State. Damontre Harris (South Carolina) - Restricted from N.C. State due to fact that administration felt that the Wolfpack were tampering. J.D. Weatherspoon (Ohio State) - Can't go within the Big Ten. Jordan Sibert (Ohio State) - Can't go within the Big Ten. Rodney Hood (Mississippi State) - Can't go anywhere within the SEC. Glen Rice Jr., (Georgia Tech) - Can't go within the ACC or to in-state rival Georgia. Adam Smith (UNC Wilmington) - Can't go within the CAA. Gerard Coleman (Providence) - Can't go within the Big East. Josiah Turner (Arizona) - No restrictions except for Pac-12 rule in which he'd have to pay for first year if he transfers to another school within the league. T.J. McConnell (Duquesne) - Restricted from going to local schools Pittsburgh and Robert Morris. Tavon Sledge (Iowa State) - Couldn't go to another Big 12 school or Iowa. Michael Gbinijie (Duke) - No restrictions Tony Chennault (Wake Forest) - No restrictions Kyle Cain (Arizona State) - No restrictions except for the Pac-12. Notice how every Big 10 transfer was restricted from going to another Big 10 school. So why are you hating on Ryan? Seriously?

Unless it was reported stolen. Do you have the contact information for the seller? At least you could give it tothe police to have them contact to confirm that its not stolen. Otherwise you can drive someone elses car with their permission.

Hearsay (without an exception) is not considered reliable. Much like statistics. Hiyooo

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 06:21 PM) no, actually, i'm not. but if you must know i have actually taken plenty of mathematics back in the day while navigating my way through school. but that's irrelevant. we want to hear about how smart you are. yeah actually you are QUOTE (mr_genius @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 05:52 PM) looks like the experts are following my lead by calling into question Nate Silver's brilliance. http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/1...win-147618.html You didnt even get that my comment was nothing more than a joke about you patting yourself. (edit) Do you really not get that I am only saying those things because you keep claiming to be some sort of expert because of your anecdotal relationships?

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 06:15 PM) Did you just meme yourself? Because you are the one who is acting like understanding math is some difficult concept.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 06:13 PM) oh well look who's back, the coin flip expert. When someone cant grasp the difficult concept, I have to start at the most basic. I liked your comment about all your conservative friends are math/science and all your liberal cant do a math problem. Your bias is hilarious.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 06:01 PM) The main point is Bo Ryan was an ass to restrict Uthoff. All he accomplished was having Uthoff's parents pay his tuition at Iowa this year. Very petty. So says you. I think most people would agree that a coach who gave a kid almost $50k in benefits over 1 year isnt very petty that he didnt want that player to go to 1 of 11 schools in the nation. I think most reasonable Big 10 fans would agree that their coach would be wise not to let a player transfer in conference after they have practiced and learned the system for a full year. I personally would have no problem with any school in the Big 10 doing the same. If you think that is petty so be it, but 1 year out of state Wisconsin is more than 3 years in state at Iowa. Wisconsin: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews....-wisconsin-3895 tuition and fees are $26,634 Iowa: http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews....ty-of-iowa-1892 $8,057 (2012-13) So when can UW expect to get the check from the Uthoffs? Because last I checked Uthoff got a free year of tuition from that very petty coach and school.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 05:52 PM) looks like the experts are following my lead by calling into question Nate Silver's brilliance. http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/1...win-147618.html lol All stats are nothing more than hedges. Silver (whether right or wrong) uses multiple polls and weighs them based on a subjective standard, so his method is just simply more data with his subjective bias. I dont think anyone followed your lead on this, its just what you should learn in grade school stats. Just because the coin should land heads 50% of the time, doesnt mean it will. For a more complex example, even if the Sox are leading by 10 runs in the 9th and the probability of their winning is 99.9%, it doesnt mean the model is wrong if they win that game. It just means that it was a very unlikely outcome given the CURRENT data. If Romney were to win, Silver's subjective model would change. Seems like everyone is agreeing with me these days: Models are always evolving. And none of this matters, the game is going to be played, well find out soon enough.

Personally believe over-signing should be against the rules, but those are the rules.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 04:38 PM) Its the same if you want to transfer. Iowa could have put the same restrictions on Brust. Uthoff has to sit a year Brust was able to suck right away. Not to mention after signing his National Letter of Intent, Brust took a scholarship that could have gone to another player at that time. Maybe it works out for Iowa in the end. I think they will get the better of this "trade". Let me repeat what you said: Iowa could have put the same restrictions on Brust. Iowa could have put the same restrictions on Brust. Iowa could have put the same restrictions on Brust. Iowa could have put the same restrictions on Brust. Iowa didnt. End of story. Brust and Uthoff are 2 different unrelated situations, I dont believe Wisconsin made any agreement with Iowa that if Iowa didnt restrict Brust that they wouldnt restrict players in the future. I do believe at the time Brust was being recruited by Northwestern and Wisconsin, so it wasnt even 100% that he would pick Wisconsin. There was no trade, Uthoff left Wisconsin because hes afraid of Sam Dekker. Brust had nothing to do with Uthoff. I personally believe that there is a difference between transferring before you get money from a school and after you get money. But the main point should be that Iowa COULD HAVE PUT RESTRICTIONS and if they had, I wouldnt be in here whining because Iowa was playing by the rules.

Some people started on the road before 4pm. 99.9% of the time LSD is better in a snowstorm than Stockton, Clark or any other route North from loop to the area that is East of Clark and West of LSD. Besides for taking public transportation, there were not a lot of good options. Ive driven on all of those roads numerous times in snow, LSD is almost always the cleanest and safest. (edit) And I believe the bus shutdown the fullerton exit, which meant no cars were moving. Belmont and Fullerton are just terrible exits.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 03:59 PM) Sounds like the same geniuses that were on Lake Shore Drive during the blizzard Sounds like someone who doesnt drive on LSD often. LSD is generally the best road when there is a snow storm as it is easy to clean and they do it very regularly. It was a "perfect storm" that a bus went off the road at one of the worst exists, effectively shutting down the road going north. Im pretty sure there werent any issues going south, so it was literally just a fluke. I have used the road every day for the last 7 years, at the last minute I chose not to take it because the visibility seemed extremely poor.

Gasser was named PG, but no one was sure how the actual rotation would go. George Marshall red-shirt frosh is who many thought would be the real pg, he just hasnt played any minutes yet.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 29, 2012 -> 02:11 PM) Ben Brust signed with Iowa, then Lickliter was sent packing and he was allowed to go to Wisconsin on scholarship from the get go. McCaffery could have pulled the same thing Bo did with Uthoff. Being signed in the Big Ten is basically the same status as anyone who is part of the team. I would think its the same concept as both players wanted to move on because they thought their style of play didn't match the coaching staff's style. Why are you resurrecting a comment from August? Anyways its not comparable. Ben Brust never received a dime from Iowa, Uthoff received a full years tuition. Being signed is not the same as being on the team and practicing. Once again this is the first and only time Ryan ever put any restriction on any transferring player. A similar example (if you actually wanted to discuss instead of troll) would be Sharif Chamblisss who was released from PSU and paid his own way to Wisconsin, same as Uthoff. http://badgerherald.com/sports/2004/02/25/..._finally_at.php So why are you bringing this up?

Also done.

Which is why most talk in code.

If any of you guys missed out on TNA Thursday here is the Wrecap: http://flapship.com/10-25-12-tna-impact-wrecap/