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Your 2006 Chicago White Sox: Buerhle Contreras Garcia Vazquez McCarthy Pods CF Crawford LF Thome DH Konerko 1B Dye RF Iguchi 2B Pierzynski C Crede 3B Uribe SS Me likey!!!

Wow if KW can somehow get Crawford here now: we shall all bow our heads down to kenny's feet and say "were not worthy, were not worthy!"

QUOTE(103 mph screwball @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 05:13 AM) BMac gets into the rotation if someone gets injured. Also consider that MB and FG are pitching in this world baseball thing this spring. Those guys have a lot of innings in them. BMac will be needed. true dat. i hope kw approaches it the same way in 2005. the security of having 6 starters.

I know the whole thing right now is Garland for Vazquez straight up blah blah. But on the whitesox.com website KW quoted "We are not trying to break up anything. We are looking to add to the equation, fortify it, and not anything else." If he is just trying to add to the equation- is it very well possible a trade of El-duque and Young for Vazquez can happen? This was quoted in the scott merkin's article: Garland figures to earn in the $6 million range through arbitration, but could be replaced by Brandon McCarthy in the rotation if he was shipped to another team. Of course, the White Sox would prefer to move Orlando 'El Duque' Hernandez and his $4.5 million salary, along with a prospect, setting up one of the best rotations in baseball with Mark Buehrle, Freddy Garcia, Vazquez, Garland and Contreras. Now thats a rotation!!!! But what about BMac

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 07:55 PM) Free agency? Oh, no, no. I meant Frankie Avalon.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 07:33 PM) Not reading 19 pages, but, I gather most think Garland would be the guy to go in this alleged trade discussion and folks are arguing for or against it? Pretty fair assessment? Personally, I just can't see Williams trading Garland unless he absolutely feels he stands no chance of re-signing him after this season. That, or, perhaps he doesn't want to re-sign him after this season. As much as I like the idea of having Vazquez locked up in a Sox uniform for the next season or two, I'd hate to see Garland--who seems to be coming into his own--go. There's always FA, Kenny. my sentiments exactly. Is Vazquez that much better than any of the free agents out there after the '06 season? I don't think so. Stick with Garland and ride this season out with what we have. Worse comes to worse in 2007 our rotation will be: Buerhle, Garcia, Contreras/ Garland (KW will keep 1), McCarthy and Cotts. That is saying if KW CANT sign a free agent.

The previous team to repeat was the Yankees. They pretty much kept the core of there rotation together.

QUOTE(hi8is @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 06:39 PM) yeah, because those kinda of deals fall from the sky all the time man! with KW you never know what falls from the sky.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/chicago_white_sox/index.html Its already out there. This rumor is spreading.

The thing that confuzzles me most is: If our rotation can win a world series as is- why worry about 2007 right now? I understand as a GM you have to look down the road, but why do this trade now? If we are struggling and are not in 1st place by the deadline- than pull a trade. Kind of like the Loaiza-Contreras deal.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 06:25 PM) And in 2007 you have Buerhle Garcia Bmac ? ? I like the chances of Contreras re-signing with us. He has finally found a home outside of Cuba in Chicago and he loves it here. How can you not love playing for Ozzie? So that leaves one hole in 2007. Look at the free agent market- its pretty deep.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 06:20 PM) He was great the first half of 2004, and then the roof caved in. I'm pretty sure his ERA was well over 6.00 the second half of 2004 with the Yankees. And why do we want to take a chance with a guy like this? The Loaiza for Contreras deal was not a 'big' risk. But trading a sure thing in Garland for a question mark is scary. Even if it is the last year of his deal. Just ride the wave to another title and go from there.

So there was talk about this during the winter meetings? Looks like there is a leek in KWs radar

Anyone have Vazquez stats over the last 2 seasons? I'm afraid he will get bombed at the Cell.

Boy Hendry loves his going after Marlins and Twins players doesn't he? This has disaster written all over it. See Hawkins of '04-05

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 06:01 PM) Maybe it's me, but I'm not a big fan of giving up basically our entire farm system this offseason! fathom, its just pure speculation. we are not going to acquire a CFer. Anderson is here to stay. But how can you not want Crawford on your team? He's an all around gamer. Lets see how this Vazquez rumor unfolds. Remember its just a rumor. Our team is almost set right now. But you never know with KW. Our only hole right now is a lefty reliever.

QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 05:45 PM) Well this is nice to say and all, but why would Tampa trade a stud OF for a pitcher one year away from free agency, it doesn't make sense. That makes no sense- but an attractive package of Garland, Anderson and Fields for Crawford would work. This of course would have to be after the Vaz for Duque and Young Wow i love speculating.

I would rather have BMac in our rotation. He is ready. If El-duque doesn't want to go to the pen then this trade makes sense for him and our team. I would much rather trade el-duque and young for Vaz than trade Jon G for him straight up. But then BMac gets the raw end of the stick. Unless this is just the first of things happening. Like Jon G and Josh Fields for Crawford? Okay now i am purely speculating.

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 04:25 PM) Fine strategy and all, but think about how much a free agent of Jon Garland's caliber would cost. And then realize that if we want to pick up a free agent pitcher that will fit in our price range, it will most likely be a pitcher far inferior to Garland. Sounds way too risky. It maybe risky. However, the market for pitchers might be lower next offseason and we can possibly acquire a solid started for a decent price. IMO the market was inflated this year due to the lack of them in the actual market. With the increase amount of starters in the free agent market next year I can see the $ dollar coming back to Earth alittle bit. For an example i think we can get a Mulder type pitcher for about 9 mill/ year for 3 years. However, this year it would have to be 12 mill/year for 3 years. I'll take my chances on next years market. That Vazquez money is an aweful lot just for 2 years.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 13, 2005 -> 04:10 PM) How much does everyone think that Garland is going to get on the FA market next year. I am thinking a whole lot. Dogs like Burnett are getting 5 year deals. Millwood probably will get a 4 year deal at a rediculous rate. These are pitchers who have had injuries. Now we have Jon Garland who is 1.) young 2.) sinkerballer 3.) Playoff proven. How much is he going to get on the open market. Konerko's heart was with the sox, he stated he wanted to go through the FA process but he wanted to resign here. Garland is a different story. Its cha-ching time. I can see some team giving him a 5 year deal. Now do you really think that the whitesox will match a 5 year deal. Is Garlands heart with this team through and through. I say you get Vasquez for a few years, you keep the core of the team together and you have 5 good pitchers on this team. Remember in the end we are trying to build this like the Braves. You lose parts but not the whole. I respect your oppinion but i disagree. Keep Jon G and sign a free agent pitcher in the '06 offseason to replace him.

^^^ ditto. keep garland for this year and look to replace him after the season is over. we don't need to do this trade. it makes no sense financially

I'll pass on this trade. I'll take my chances on having Garland and Contreras in our rotation next year and losing 1 of them after next season via free agency. I can see Contreras re-signing to us while Garland leaving after '06. Well have you guys looked at the free agent market in '06? Its pretty deep pitching wise, I would like to see Mulder make his way to South side in replace of Garland. Then we can have a lefty, righty, lefty, righty, righty setup in our rotation. I expect to see this: 2006 Rotation- Buerhle, Contreras, Garland, Garcia, McCarthy 2007 Rotation- Buerhle, Contreras, Mulder (or someone else), Garcia, McCarthy

I can see A.J. signing to a 2-3 year extension once January hits. By then KW will be done with his 'fine tuning' And can focus on giving contract extensions to AJ, Crede, and Garland to avoid arbitration. I can see Joe and A.J. signing to 2-3 year deals while Garland I can see signing for a 1 year deal to avoid arbitration. This is most likely Jon G's last year with us. Lets make the most of this rotation. Because after 2006, who knows what will happen with Contreras and Garland. At least we know BMac, Garcia and Buerhle will be here for a few more years.

QUOTE(bulokis @ Dec 11, 2005 -> 12:02 AM) Thome and Rowand. Just think if we are able to get Thome without giving Aaron. We still have the same lineup with a big LH bat in the middle. In a perfect world that would happen. But in order to get something- you have to get something. We saw it with Garcia (losing Reed). But i'll take my chances with Anderson.

QUOTE(WinninUgly @ Dec 10, 2005 -> 11:51 PM) Thats all we need. A player that wants out because he is on a losing team. He signed the contract, honor it! ditto! ^^^^ Its typical for the Red Sox and Cubs to go after a guy like that. Yep- TRASH there farm system for a 'super star' player.