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Time for hawk to drool over stairs.

QUOTE(BFirebird @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 11:08 PM) The errors have helped...but there have been more hard hit balls today then the whole series versus the Angels. Good to see. The royals putrid pitching may be a reason for that?

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 11:03 PM) Hawk was fawning over Zach Grienke again. Has he watched any other team besides the White Sox play? He does realize just how bad Grienke has been this season, right? Has he talked about how matt stairs use to be the best bargain in baseball in the 90's? He does nearly every single game stairs makes an appearance.

Send berrora back to double a.

QUOTE(Hermanson32 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 10:55 PM) I hate how much praise DJ is giving to Angel Berroa for his defense. I don't think he has ever seen Angel Berroa play before. In 2004, Berroa was sent to AAA because he was so bad at defense. He was actually sent to double a.

Konerko's picture on the front page of espn's mlb section...

Everett is a lucky sob.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 10:35 PM) Here's an idea that hasn't been followed much lately: Lets hold the other team scoreless after we get some runs!!! I think we lead the league last year in scoring runs and immediately giving them back the next half inning.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 05:26 PM) Robin Tunney I don't mind the show but I don't think it comes close to being as good as 24. I do like both the male leads in their roles, I noticed Wentworth Miller is going to be in Jennifer Love's Hewitt's new show too. He is just gonna be in the first episode. That is the plan anyway.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 06:40 PM) Ruth's numbers aren't that great when compared with other pitchers from the era. He was good, but his W/L was also exaggerated because he played on WS champion teams. Plus the biggest difference for me is the difference in the pitching you would have faced then. Remember there was no slider, splitter, cutter etc. There was also no specialty relief such as closers and set up men. You saw one pitcher 4-5 times a game, and you also saw them a bunch more times a year, because the league was way smaller. Don't also forget the knee to armpit strike zone that exsisted in that day. It would be really interesting to see the Babe step in against a guy like Rocket who has a 95+ fastball, splitter, and a nasty change, or to see a two pitch Walter Johnson try to get out a Barry Bonds who has complete strike zone presence. Personally I believe with the addition of specialty pitchers, new pitches, bigger athletes etc, that any player from today's era would kill anyone from the 20's. Don't let the numbers fool you, these guys today are way, way better. 122 career era+ for ruth. 125 career era+ for buerhle ( prior to this year). 114 career era+ for garcia ( prior to this year). You also have to remember the baseballs they used then were made awfully. You would have to put everything you had into it to get it out into the outfield... one of the reasons there was no power numbers back then. Baseballs are so hard now you could bunt a fastball just right it will reach the outfield. Fields were also mammoth compared to what they are nowadays. While you are correct that they did not have a slider, spitter, cutter, etc... they did have spitter's knuckles, palm balls... basically every kind of pitch that is illegal at this time. Pitching was heavily favored then and hitting is heavily favored now. I wish there was a better happy medium. While today's players are better than from years past, they have much, much more to work with to make that possible.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 02:43 AM) I never accused you of bashing anyone. You did criticize their ideas, yet never presented one of your own. Maybe I jumped on you a bit prematurely here, even though my original request was just to start a topic of conversation. It sure seemed like you were avoiding the question. But hell, that's also your perrogative. I have wanted to start a bunch of off-season threads but every time i start one i realize i have no clue what to think at this point... because quite frankly i do not think we are in quite as good of sitation next year as most people do. We already have roughly 70 million dollars locked up on just 16 players for next year. We need to first get to the playoffs and then get to the world series to clear up out payroll problems. I am just aggrivated i suppose you can say. With the s***ty free agency and the fact that even if we do have money to spend it will not be for a premiere player. Brian giles or durazo please.... also... say no to furcal.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 02:31 AM) Way to stick your neck out there qwerty. I'm impressed. :headshake What you are talking about. I never bashed jason and i never claimed to have all the answers. I simply said everett and huff are not good options to bat third. If you or others cannot see that for yourselves i do not know what to tell you. Please show me where i said i have an almighty plan for the off-season at this point? When i have something to say i say it... i don't play games and leave people in ''suspense''. I am not understanding you tonight... because i clearly said nothing out of line.

This thread would have never been made for shingo, josh.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 04:08 PM) You are correct. I think he becomes a free agent the following year, basically he's in the same situation as Garland. Except Garland is due for a pay-raise where Crede will maybe see it go up, but it won't be any big jump. This is his first year of arbitration eligibilty. Seems like he has been here alot longer than that eh?

QUOTE(YASNY @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 02:14 AM) Are you going to throw a name out there or keep avoiding the question? Was answered in another thread... and i believe i said i am not really sure what the sox should do at this point. BUT huff is not a good option and either is everett. Which is very, very truthful. Sub .800 ops for three hole hitter is ridiculous.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 01:55 AM) You shot down other people's suggestions. Tell who you'd like the Sox to pick up that would be a realistic possibility. Shot down or gave my opinion? Ya...

QUOTE(Rich McKinney @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 01:17 AM) Thomas will be back next season with the Sox. There will be room since Konerko and probably Everett won't be back. No other team will want him. The Sox could give him an incentive-laden contract totaling about $5 million. He won't get anything close anywhere else. You have no reason to believe everett will not be back. He will still be able to fill our dh spot considering there is no one worthy to sign outside of maybe durazo ( who is a bonafide dh) He seems to be a favorite of ozzie's even though his performance has been lackluster for the most part. I am not sure what kind of deal durazo will be getting considering he has only played in about 40 games this year. Since he is out with tommy john surgery he might be looking for a garciaparra type deal to get his value back up. He would be my ideal stop gate for the following season. Nick johnson= drools.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 07:07 PM) Well, what he's done over the course of the year has been serviceable. Not great, but he was brought in to be one of the back of the rotation guys. We paid $3.5 this year for about a 5.00 ERA out of our fifth starter. Considering what everyone else got, I'm not going to complain. But, his time is up, and McCarthy is the better pitcher right now, so Ozzie needs to stop this sentimental bulls***, and put the better pitcher in the rotation (sorry for being repetitive). I hope the yankees are foolish and give us something/anything for him. They are the only team that i can realistically having interest in him.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 01:43 AM) Who would you like to see the Sox pick up for that 3 hole? I would like to see someone traded for... because quite frankly this years free agent crop is one of the worst in a while. Offensively, next off-season, not this one coming up... the crop is loaded. Put it this way, the 20th best hitter two years from now will be a better deal than the prize of this years, ( nomar). I feel the sox will pick-up everett's or possibly renegotiate with the sox and i feel konerko will not be on the white sox next spring. I just foresee something s***ty happening ( to a lesser extent of maggs).

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 04:44 PM) Yes, yes they do. He'll end up with $6M - $7M in arbitration if he doesn't get a long term contract from the Sox. He will sign a three year deal... same with pierzynski.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 02:00 PM) Tex, you had me until I saw #35 in there. Unless the Sox trade for someone and let them use #35 (which I'd throw up at) than having Frank in the cleanup spot is not an option. That means this team basically did the status quo and made no changes on offense. Its obvious that ever year you try to upgrade and the offense needs an upgrade. I'm telling you, find one legitimate middle of the order or 3 hole hitter (finding both would be nice) and keeping Paulie and than you have yourself a pretty darn good offense, imo. Remember, when I talk about hitters, only the DH can suck at defense. So if Aubrey Huff is added, he's playing 1st or DH same can be said for Chad Tracy (unless its an ocassional 3rd or LF or something). The Sox can not replace Crede with some hack at 3rd base. When you build your team on pitching, when you make a move to your lineup, you need to make sure your not downgrading the defense (especially up the middle). Aubrey huff's ops over the last four years... 2002= .884. 2003= .922. 2004= .853. 2005= .740. Huff has declined the last two years signifigantly. He is doing so in a time period when most players hit their primes (28-32). He is currently 28 and will be turning 29 in december. Bacially, huff is a younger but more expensive version of out current number three hitter, carl everett. If it was up to me neither would be on the sox next year, especially as one of our big offensive weapons. Neither huff, everett, or tracy our three holes hitters in my opinion. The way they are currently hitting everett and huff are best suited sixth and tracy fifth.

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QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 11:58 PM) no he was he said he was. I do think he was on roids. ...

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 11:49 PM) yes but you don't know that maybe he wasn't on roids. Maybe jason giambi wasn't either... you never know.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 11:45 PM) i know but from the interviews with conte and everyone he didn't hire Anderson until 2001. He supposedly gave him the roids. That is the only way imaginable to get steroids? Give me a fish flopping break. All that i can say is... alex sanchez... end of story.