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QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Apr 20, 2008 -> 07:36 AM) The comparison between people closed to the idea of seeing this film versus, for example, Gore's film, only works if you are willing to fully equate the reasons behind the close-mindedness. That is, you have to be willing to hold the positions of the climate-change naysayers and ID naysayers as equally valid. Maybe me and the National Science Foundation, AAAS, etc., are just a bunch of close-minded curmudgeons, but if ID has zero scientific merit then a movie pushing ID isn't going to change that. I would say that many scientists are closed-minded to ID as a philosophy, not as a scientific method. I really think that the ID philosophy can add a lot to the wonder of what the sciences are discovering. It is amazing to me as a person who believes in an ID all of the amazing little complexities that we have not only discovered, but are still discovering. I do not think that you need to say that evolution is wrong and needs to be thrown out, nor do I think that any of the scientific discoveries need to be thrown out. It really adds to the wonder of what science is showing us and is my personal belief. It also allows for some discrimination of all of the data that we see. Are we measuring, reading, and gaining all of our understanding with a preformed view that everything has to be natural (therefore leading us to certain conclusions), or are we open to saying that this is the best, natural explanation we can give and there are places that it honestly falls short right now? I don't think that there is an open look at where the natural explanation so far falls short, where it needs to improve. This is probably one of the best things that ID has done for science, it has pointed to some holes, which has lead to scientific exploration and even more discoveries (filling some of those holes in knowledge). Here is what I think about the close-mindedness. People will believe what they want to believe, and it is the exact same thing about both films. Many people do not want to change their lives or their beliefs that all is good with the world and that we are not messing it up at all. So, they are completely close-minded to Al Gore's film. In the same way, there are many who do not want to change their lives or their beliefs that there is no external control, influence, or design to what we have around us. So, they are also completely close-minded to this type of a film and to a completely open look at where naturalism has not yet told us everything.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Apr 19, 2008 -> 10:47 PM) Are you saying that it is impossible to judge a movie without seeing it? Or that the many people who have seen it are not reporting on it accurately? That is going to an extreme there. Anyone can judge a movie without seeing it. But, it does follow that those who have seen it will have a more accurate report on it than someone who has just "read" about it. I am in the later category and would therefore not be able to give a very accurate report on it. I'm seeing a good amount of discussion and was wondering if someone has seen it because, yes, I would value their opinions about it more. The same seemed to be thought with those other films. Your opinion was more valued if you had actually seen the movies and you were seen as more open-minded.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Apr 19, 2008 -> 10:32 PM) The content of the movie is already well-known. It has been reviewed extensively. Now, wasn't that exactly what I was talking about? Have you seen it? I have not (didn't see the other ones I talked about either. I am one close-minded bastage). I'm wondering if we have any first-handed accounts of it and what you thought.

Wow, interesting to see the discussion. Has anyone actually seen the movie, or is everyone just going to dismiss it outright? That seems to be a big point in the movie from what I have read about it. All of the ideas are preformed with defenses built around them even amongst people with "open" minds. I'm sure that someone will say, I don't need to see it, I already know what kind of crap is going to come out. I have a feeling that some who are saying that also were offended when they heard someone else say the same thing about a Michael Moore film or even Al Gore's film. Those people had obviously closed their minds.

Some people talked about feeling them all the way out by me. I was out, but did wake up briefly right around 4:30...

I like going with Tombstone myself. Kind of surprised I haven't heard Totinos (except for the rolls). $0.99 and they all taste the same no matter what is on them. How can you go wrong?

Just sent you mine.

2 out RBI!

Toby! Good to see a hit!

The ball is already past Uribe and he still gets his homerun cut in lol

Nice AB BA!

Very nice inning for JC

Cuzzi would have had Maggs thrown out for that...

Hes got a bit of a limp there.

Ouch! How is he still out there?

Not a problem. Agreed

QUOTE (sox-r-us @ Apr 8, 2008 -> 04:53 PM) Easy bro....you can always avoid reading this thread if it pisses you off so much, you know I would recommend this thread instead: http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=63836

Pulled out a 4-iron on that one.

Overheard fan on the broadcast "Keep it up Blue, Ozzie's waiting for ya in your car!" LOL

QUOTE(Sox It To Em @ Apr 7, 2008 -> 04:12 PM) If I'm not mistaken, arguing balls and strikes is an automatic ejection for the manager. Yeah it is. Ozzie was still in the dugout when he got thrown out. I'm not disagreeing with it. Just seemed pretty quick.

Solid AB by AJ

That seemed like a real quick hook given to Ozzie

A lot of Sox players looking back at the ump after different calls. So far this inning, both Thome and PK been caught off guard.

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