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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 2, 2014 -> 11:38 AM) Ignoring everything else, who are the guys (plural) that the Sox signed to minor league contracts and turned them into Cy Young pitchers? I can think of Loaiza, and that was one, isolated incident who never had another season like that again. My problem with giving Cooper a pass and chastizing all of the hitting coaches is that I don't see much of a difference. Who are the pitchers that Cooper has helped recuperate? Please note that, based on your criteria (ie Konerko), I can exclude anyone who has had success before or after Cooper too. I really like Cooper, I felt that Walker should have been let go when he was, I had no problem with Manto being let go, and I still really like Steverson, but what are we basing that off? Esteban Loaiza Damaso Marte Neil Cotts Helped Save Tom Gordon's career Cliff Politte Jose Contreras Bobby Jenks Dustin Hermanson Matt Thornton Gavin Floyd DJ Carrasco Chris Sale Jose Quintana Jesse Crain Dylan f***ing Axelrod listing him just brcause Hector Santiago Phil Humber Nate Jones Scott Carroll, Axelrod territory Hector Noesi I'm sure there's more. All these guys pretty much killed their expectations here or performed at an extremely high level. And I'm sure I've missed quite a bit. I'm sure you can also find reasons not to list them. Regardless his work with Quintana, Contreras, and Thornton alone outweighs anything Walking has done. The rest is a bonus.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 2, 2014 -> 10:54 AM) Paul Konerko, Jim Thome, Jermaine Dye, Joe Crede, Alex Rios...there are a ton of players that would say that Walker helped them turn their careers around, Joe Crede especially. Prior to 2006, he was a .250 hitter who hit 20 home runs and would always pop out to 2B from pulling off the ball. He worked his ass off that offseason with Walker in staying on the ball better and he had an absolutely phenomenal year until the back injury that ruined his career creeped in. Yeah it pretty much comes down to Joe Crede being the only guy in 9 years that Greg Walker can show off and a little Jermaine Dye. Thome was literally a hall of famer. Paul Konerko was a beast before Walker got here and oddly enough had his worst full season ever in Walker's first year here. No idea why Alex Rios is even considered. Hes like the posterboy for Walker's suckage. He was way better before Walker got to him and mostly better after too. He was pretty much dismal under Walker. Dye was an all star caliber player before he came here but managed to improve with age. I have no problem crediting Walker here. Now compare that to Don Cooper who has put guys signed to minor league contracts into Cy Young conversations.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 2, 2014 -> 09:16 AM) I don't mean to speak for Dick Allen here, but I think his big thing is this: if Greg Walker or Jeff Manto get blamed or fired because the offense underperforms, regardless of the talent on hand, why is Don Cooper continually given a free pass and not criticized when the pitching staff in recent years has been mediocre to dreadful, regardless of talent on hand? So many times, it matters not who coaches but insteaad who your players are. Um that's the whole point. Greg Walker has failed absolutely miserably with his biggest projects throughout his career here. He's never had a guy outperform expectations like ever. Meanwhile we spend next to nothing on the pitching staff and Cooper succeeds often with waiver wire scrubs and such and has our Gordon Beckham of pitching actually performing like the all world talent he's supposed to be.

Haha Bernstein actually had the balls to try and call someone else on their source? That's rich.

After 2001 games and 462 home runs.

I hate bunting

Incredible game

AL game is on TBS on Tuesday. NL game is on ESPN Wednesday.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2014 -> 06:39 PM) I don't know if anyone else is like this, but in general, I tuned out of this baseball season months ago. I really don't have much of a care who wins, as long as a couple of I teams I can't stand don't win. As far as I am concerned, it is now hockey season, soon to be followed by high school basketball season. Playoff baseball is so f***ing awesome. Especially with rooting interests...err anti rooting interests with the Tigers.

Melee might be the greatest game of all time, I agree. I loved Brawl for the insane amount of content. Hopefully they can com Ine those two aspects.

Smash Bros 4 comes out on Thursday. So pumped. 51 characters.

Hopefully Groce doesn't offer him

Sale is completely in the wrong. But I hope it blows up and Robin gets fired since Sale is way more valuable. /dream

Looked like a bulls hit call. At the park though.

Reilly O'Toole is just awful

3-0. Rookie hr record at 36 now for the Sox heir apparent.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 27, 2014 -> 07:01 PM) Now that KC's clinched maybe they can serve up a big juicy gopher ball to Paulie. Still playing for the central so don't think he'll get the Jeter treatment

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Sep 27, 2014 -> 06:50 PM) What happened in Aurora? Some guy tried to light himself on fire at the radar center for the midwest. Flights were pretty much all canceled or delayed at both ohare and midway

Sounds like they had a lot lot more people planned. Thanks faa idiot

Great bronze statue next to Thomas

DanI really hope they paid Chris Claeys a hefty fee for that

This ceremony is increidble. Derek Rose, Metallica guy, Jeter, Toews, Dye, Ozzie, Buehrle, Uribe, Beckham all left messages.

QUOTE (gatnom @ Sep 27, 2014 -> 04:03 PM) Sounds like Reilly O'Toole might be starting for Illinois tonight. Doesn't sound like Lunt is injured either. Huh?

Hopefully Mcewing leaves the sox so that he is a legitimate candidate for when Robin is fired. Don't think he'd get promoted if he were still here. That said, taking another MLB manager job rules him out too.

Ugh no