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QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 6, 2012 -> 10:56 AM) I'm not asking this to be an ass, but what kind of pressure is their at Illinois that there isn't at another school? It's not like Illinois is some national powerhouse. They are a middle of the road/stepping stone type program that occassionally succeeds and makes the tournament but doesn't do it consistently. I understand that Illini fans want and expect more, but I don't really think there is pressure of the Illinois job. Illinois is pretty good historically. They don't have the elusive NC, but they have to be by far the best program without one. But I think that's mainly besides the point. I think most Illinois fans think of the basketball program as a sleeping giant. They may be right. Illinois has historically massively underachieved and still done pretty well for itself. It's basically for one reason only, and that's the talent bed it sits on. They can get scraps and still be a top 15 team with relative ease. Chicago is about tied with NYC with being the best basketball hotbed on the planet (EDIT: I looked up some numbers and it appears Chicago is actually the better one). Illinois is the only major in-state program (with apologies to DePaul and Northwestern) and talent should be coming here on a consistent basis. Problem is, it hasn't for about 20 years now, save for the last three years kind of. With the kind of resources Illinois has, yes, there is definite pressure from the fans to compete. They see the in-state talent and figure it should be done with relative ease.

Also, there are Illini fans clamoring for Jerrance Howard to be HC. God no. Keep him on as assistant, but just no to him taking over control.

I hope you're right. We already know there will be two no votes by the BoT for anyone who isn't an African-American candidate. I think they will put even more pressure on MT this time. MT seems like a great man for the job though, so hopefully he won't give in.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Feb 6, 2012 -> 04:59 PM) You really think race is going to have that much of an impact? I think Thomas will hire who ever he thinks is the best fit. Shaka would be a great move all around, he would definitely get some buzz going around the program. After the football hire and knowing how this school works, yes, I do. But yeah, I would not mind Shaka at all. He is as qualified as anyone.

Do everything to keep Howard too. Shaka has to be the hire. I would like Brad Stevens personally. Not sure how much interest he has leaving Butler, but this will probably be his only opportunity into the Big Ten depending on how Crean works out for Indiana. We are going to hire an African-American due to the PC bulls*** that goes on at the school. Fortunately Shaka is at least qualified.

QUOTE (G&T @ Feb 6, 2012 -> 02:18 PM) I thought that too but if the QB notices he can snap it and spike it, get the penalty yards and waste no time. What made that play so ridiculous was that it was a deep route and it burned a lot of time so it was very noticeable that the Giants probably benefited from the penalty. It''l probably get at least a second off, might be worth it depending on how much time may be left. But yeah, I would at least put 12 or 13 guys out there.

I wish I would have seen this

QUOTE (zenryan @ Feb 6, 2012 -> 03:53 AM) There was 15 seconds left when the one Giants player went offsides and Brady threw it deep to Hernandez but it was incomplete. The play took 6 seconds and really didnt hurt the Giants. I think if the offense can get a 10 second run off in the final minute for certain penalties, the defense should have get penalized too. Maybe on offside calls, the playclock goes back to the original starting point if the team decides to take the penalty. What is stopping a defense from jumping off in hopes of getting to the QB just to run some time? As long as he doesnt have the clear path and the refs blow it dead, I would certainly rather trade 5 yards for 5 seconds. Yeah, that was the play that made me ask. Thought it was ridiculous that more time couldn't be put on.

If you're on defense near the end there, and the penalty is only 5 yards with no time coming back on the clock, why not put your entire roster out on the field? I know the game cannot end like that, but atleast down to 1 second.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Feb 2, 2012 -> 12:07 AM) This makes ZERO sense. How civil were the fans for the Pacers/Pistons brawl at the palace? They didn't kill each other. Seriously though, you would never see the crap that goes on at certain soccer games in the US. Obviously, the US has their fair share of awful fans everywhere, but yeah, soccer hooligans can take it to another level in comparison.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 1, 2012 -> 09:37 PM) That would leave us with Lucas as the only back up guard. If Rose goes down, we'd be screwed. Eh, who cares. Not going many places without Rose anyways.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 1, 2012 -> 06:52 PM) How is it that important. From a seeding perspective? For pete sake, most any half decent team will make the tourney, as will plenty of garbage teams. Seeding is pretty damn important in CBB considering it all BO1 instead of extended series. Obviously, you want to position yourself to be playing those garbage teams while others don't.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 1, 2012 -> 06:41 PM) So Hansborough just stopped trying? Is that why he's OK now? Or is the competition better, so former college starts that don't adapt look bad because they actually do have to try but aren't that talented? And does that mean they tried in college or the others are now trying harder in the NBA? Not Hansborough. But yes, I think you'll see a great deal of difference in terms of effort when compared to NCAA to NBA. I mean, the NBA has a long history with the reputation of having many lazy players for a reason. I don't think that's a surprise. Millions of dollars and also the power to run the team (instead of the coach) changes a lot. And really, the talent level is better in the NBA? You don't say.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 1, 2012 -> 06:22 PM) And a majority of NBA players were in college. Did they just stop "trying hard?" ....Yes?

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 1, 2012 -> 06:22 PM) People forget too that Dee Brown was still expected to go 1st round after the 04-05 season but broke his foot during the pre-draft workouts. He came back his senior year and still did really well (again, winning the Bob Cousy award), but they failed to get out of the 2nd round so his stock took a hit. f*** that year. "Oh, you guys want a 2 seed? Cute. Here's a 4. Now go play Brandon Roy and Washington on the West coast."

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 1, 2012 -> 05:33 PM) who had the better numbers during the title run season? Im just curious, I really dont know. All i know is that people that season were saying "Dee Brown, yea i like him. But man, DWill has come out of nowhere and we really like him" Hm, I don't think so. Dee Brown was definitely the more hyped college player.

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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 1, 2012 -> 05:23 PM) I didn't change anything. Melo went to college for one year. And he had no business going in the first place. He would've made a mockery of college hoops had he went 3 years. Melo had the opportunity to come out of high school. He didn't, and I'd say it undeniably helped him. So yeah, I'd say he definitely had business going to school.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 1, 2012 -> 04:28 PM) You know, the Bulls didn't always run the triangle when they were winning 6 rings. You're supposed to run iso for J.J. Redick? The talent is too inferior to run iso consistently even if you wanted to. If LeBron had went to Duke, trust me, they would've been playing very little "team" ball. Durant was the closest thing to this in college. Texas' offense with him was basically hand him the ball and watch him go to work. He put up massive numbers, but the team was pretty unremarkable.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 1, 2012 -> 03:22 PM) Curry has shocked most everybody. He wasn't supposed to be this good. Didn't Blake only go to college for a year? I'll give you Turner. Look, I'm not saying college hoops is a joke per se. I just go nuts when college hoops fans take a dump all over the NBA because they're making millions and pump up a clearly inferior product because, well, I don't even know why. I like the NBA. Their players are much, much better, obviously. I just find the product of college basketball better. A lot goes into that; the atmosphere of games, players at least looking like they give more effort, the inherently unpredictability of the game, March Madness, the way the games are called etc. I also can't believe I just defended CBB reffing, which is completely atrocious. However, at least the refs there are simply incompetent rather than looking like they are trying to fix the game. Griffin was in college in two years by the way.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 1, 2012 -> 03:10 PM) Stop. Big East fans used to overrate the s*** out of that bum. Put some shorts on Christian Laettner and he'd dance all over these "great" college players of the last few years. I mean, I agree on Harangody. But he was never even first team All-American. That's why I asked why you listed him over the likes of Stephen Curry, Blake Griffin, Evan Turner...

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 1, 2012 -> 02:58 PM) You might've had a case in the 90's. Today? Disgusting. Adam Morrison? J.J. Redick? Luke Harangody? Tyler Hansbrough? This is the best the college game has had to offer over the last half decade (I'm not including guys like Rose who were forced to go to college for a year)? LOL, why these guys? Do you just hate white people? Luke Harangody? What? I mean Stephen Curry, Evan Turner, Blake Griffin...

College basketball is a far better product than the NBA.

That is funny. I was at the game as I said so I couldn't hear it, but just a short few weeks ago Tirico was accused of homering up MSU and I believe it was DeadSpin who had an article on it. Maybe boogua was onto something, or else he just remembers that article.

I'm at the game wtf was the Abrams call?