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QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 02:46 AM) Anyone else hate the nickname Gio for Giolito? I can’t be the only one. It was embarrassing hearing Sox fans pronounce his name on the Score today

QUOTE (wrathofhahn @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:14 AM) It's actually more funny to look at it from the perspective that even the Orioles question the wisdom of a Machado move for the Whitesox and are looking at it from other angles. As DA said, they know Manny would never sign an extension before season ends

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:05 AM) And that worked out great too! His logic was so solid, "If we keep playing like this we'll be right there in the end" was an almost verbatim quote from him in early July of 2015. See the problem yet? All of this "There's no downside" talk ignores the downside we watched happen for a lesser player. He got terrible offers for the guy and talked himself into the idea that his team could compete because they had a good 8 game stretch and got back to .500 in early July. Who also had way more of a connection to the Sox

QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:58 AM) The Shields trade counts twice, it was soooo stupid. Getting only two prospects (and I love both Kopech and Moncada) for Sale is another. The Yankee swindle is a third or fourth. One to go. Sale trade was fair, no complains there

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:52 AM) Anyone think the Yankees offer could be better but they just don't want to trade him to the Yankees? Pretty much guarantee that

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:51 AM) The thing is there isn't going to be an extension. I am pretty sure Baltimore knows that or they would be negotiating with him. Probably one reason they won't grant a 72 hour window, even though that would virtually guarantee he wouldn't be traded to the Yankees, is because they know it is pointless. Great point

Btw WSD has no new info https://mobile.twitter.com/barstoolWSD/stat...438517942669312

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:47 AM) It makes zero sense for the White Sox if they don't plan to sign him. If the White Sox are truly interested trading for him, I don't buy that part. Even flipping him is a risk. What if he gets hurt or has a slow start? It's really a no win situation if he comes here next year without an extension. If he plays incredible, then he possibly prices himself even more out of Sox plans. If he struggles on a losing team, then he might want to go to a different organization

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:45 AM) Machado for Avi and/or Cease + org filler + promise we won't trade him to Yankees? Screw the promise, no reason to lose a possible mid season trade partner

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:43 AM) Because they play them 18 or 19 times. It is very understandable. If the White Sox word isn't good enough, then it won't happen. Probably won't happen anyway. There has to be at least one top guy in the package or it makes no sense for Baltimore. If you were trying to get the Cardinals to add to their offer, you would do exactly what the Orioles did the last 24 hours in terms of leaks

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 15, 2017 -> 12:42 AM) So, they want top prospects, won't let teams be given a 72 hour window to talk contract extension, and want teams not to trade him to the Yankees. Price goes down if it were me. Really seems like Cards are in good shape

Many seem to have not read the article as Nightengale said there's no chance the Sox would actually give Manny a huge contract

It would be great if Sox screwed over Baltimore. Every other team would be pleased

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:54 PM) Who is going to trade for him with one year of control left? You’re pretty much looking at contenders with 3B/SS needs that can actually afford to offer him a $300M+ contract in the offseason. Add in the “won’t do business with the Yankees rule” and that right there doesn’t leave a ton of teams. Seriously, what teams make sense and actually have the assets to acquire him? Cardinals and Red Sox

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:51 PM) interesting. It's some smoke. All it means is he can read tweets on the internet

QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:50 PM) The Cardinals and White Sox are both going after a player who's decision on what team he's going to play for will be decided via an Instagram post. That sounds familiar... Well done

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:40 PM) How does it make any sense that the two best offers are Cards and Sox? Those clubs couldn't be further apart in their windows. Because the Sox interest makes zero sense

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:33 PM) I agree and sort of acknowledged that. But seeing comments the last few days of: "any team that gives up anything of value is crazy" is over the top. If we were a big bat away from being competitive, of course I'd trade a top 100 guys in a package. Cards trading Weaver and O'Neill for him makes sense

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:56 PM) What do people think that Machado would sign an extension here? He knows literally nothing of this organization beyond perhaps some of its players. It seems extremely unlikely that he would forsake his golden free agency to sign an extension with an organization to which he is brand new. This would be a one-rental player, albeit with a chance to make an impact on him going into his free agency, in a year in which the Sox will still not be contenders. Outside of 1 or 2 posters, no one thinks he will sign

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:49 PM) This will probably sounds nuts to people but I'm not including Kopech in a deal for Machado even if he signed an extension. All the sudden you're losing a lot of your payroll flexibility and you're losing your potential ace. We have some pitching depth in this organization but we don't have Kopech depth. You weaken your future rotation a great deal and you lose a lot of this payroll flexibility you've gained. I'm really not a fan of doing that even for a guy like Manny. Also why Yelich is a better player to target. You might give up more in a package but his contract gives you so much more flexibility going forward

QUOTE (Soxnfins @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:54 PM) This is on its way to becoming another ace speeds thread, let’s top it! We have, what, 50 more mobile pages to go? I'm expecting 8 eyeballs from WSD tomorrow night

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:52 PM) I'd be pretty surprised if Giolito were included as well. He's mlb ready and seemed to be finding his groove down the stretch last season. I don't see him as a potential #1, but he could develop into a solid #2-3 starter in time. He seems like a disaster waiting to happen pitching for Baltimore

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:49 PM) This will probably sounds nuts to people but I'm not including Kopech in a deal for Machado even if he signed an extension. All the sudden you're losing a lot of your payroll flexibility and you're losing your potential ace. We have some pitching depth in this organization but we don't have Kopech depth. You weaken your future rotation a great deal and you lose a lot of this payroll flexibility you've gained. I'm really not a fan of doing that even for a guy like Manny. Well said, it's not like you would be getting a guy with an amazing contract like Sale/Q/Archer

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:26 PM) I love Avi but I'd be shocked to see him land a top 100 guy Agreed which is why I hope the Sox bet on him for next year

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 07:27 PM) Well that doesn't make much sense IMO. Why wouldn't it