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Wow, that was freaking impressive

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 02:51 AM) UZR is an advanced fielding metric compiled by humans using objective measures on film to rate each and every defensive play. UZR suggests (as you might remember) that he was horrible and one of the worst defensive shortstops in baseball during pretty much his entire stint in Cleveland. He became average over the next year or two in Detroit and rates as excellent in the past two seasons and pretty good so far this year. I didn't know PEDs makes you a better defender?

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 01:48 AM) It's about to be 3-1. Nice call

At some point, De Aza has to get benched for these stupid mistakes.

Webb continues to struggle in AAA

Nice Tank! Very different looking swing from him.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 02:12 AM) The Sox play the same game every day. Good starting pitching, no offense, do something stupid, lose. Well, we get 18 more shots at the Tigers to score against them Not that it matters, but it's amazing how poorly this team was constructed to play against the Tigers. Having 6 righties in the everyday lineup against these guys is a really bad idea.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 7, 2013 -> 12:42 AM) Hey fathom, Travis Wood is an All-Star! I believe he leads the majors in quality starts. He's been awesome this year, hopefully his 2nd half splits resemble what happened last year.

Nice game for Tim Anderson tonight. That Bristol offense is awful.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 12:31 AM) As bad as the major league team has been, some of the Sox top hitting prospects are making this season an even bigger disaster. Mitchell is probably close to done. Sanchez has been pretty bad. Keenan Walker a disaster. Hawkins obviously was in over his head, and is very youngbut has anyone ever had as tough of time as him making contact and then gone on and become a productive major leaguer. Trace Thompson jhas had flashes, but nothing seems to indicate he is a sure thing either. As caulfield would write....sigh. Johnson and Johnson are the only main bright spots from the farm this year (besides for Phegley). In all, I fully expect the Sox to be in the bottom 5 for farm systems again unless they make some big time trades coming up.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 12:22 AM) Curley and Farrell have been playing well this season but neither are true prospects...at least never Every year, there's someone that this board tries to talk up as possibly being a prospect even though they're far too old for their level. Typically, that person is long gone within a year or two.

The good news is that it's 6:17pm and the Sox don't look overmatched yet!

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 12:16 AM) No s***. I like Gordo in the two hole. It makes a lot of sense at this point. Yep, you try to develop him into the 2nd hitter for the next 3 years.

I hope we have scouts at the Kannapolis game, as some big time prospects for the Pirates are involved in this game.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 11:32 PM) Frank Thomas, Griffey, Jr., Thome and Omar Vizquel. That's it, for the HOF, in terms of the last generation of ballplayers (non-pitchers). Everyone else is tainted. The sad thing is there's no way to ever know with anyone. It's all speculation, and I guarantee there are fans of other teams that think some of the guys you mentioned were users.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 11:06 PM) Peralta has a $6 million club option, 500K buyout for 2014. It will be interesting to see what they decide to do if he's suspended for 100 games and they have to replace him on the fly with someone better than Ramon Santiago. And Infante's contract is expiring. If I were the Tigers, in "win now" mode as always these days, I'd trade for Ramirez and move Peralta to 2B. Exactly, so why not take advantage of a team that's desperate?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 11:37 PM) I don't want to trade Alexei Ramirez to the Tigers. Crain would be okay, though...for Garcia. Don't want Andy Dirks....he's more of a 4th OF. Plain and simple, when you go into rebuilding mode, it doesn't matter who you're dealing business with...you get the best package possible back. I highly doubt Alexei will be a huge difference maker in a few years when the Sox are looking to compete again. I bet the Cubs are happy they traded within their division and got Wood and others for Marshall.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 04:24 AM) Seeing a lot of people on this board fall in love with the flavor of the month types. I don't see why people on here rate Semien so highly. Sub .800 OPS (granted barely) isn't cutting it. I'm not sure Micah defensively is cutting it. Sanchez is the youngest so I'm sticking with him for a bit longer. The bottom line is none of our middle infield prospects are anything to get excited about. Hey, I've been a fan of Semien since we drafted him I do disagree with you about none of the middle infield prospects being anything to get excited about. Micah Johnson definitely has some potential, and Tim Anderson does as well (even though I don't believe you were taking him into consideration)

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 05:18 AM) Well his OPS is below .600 which isn't going to fly, even if he is the youngest player in the International League. He's still a top 10 prospect IMO, but he definitely should be in the bottom half rather than the top half. I'd also rank Micah Johnson ahead of Sanchez without much hesitation. Semien is above Sanchez, IMO. Semien's BB/K ratio is great

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 04:54 AM) And that means in a trade we get two minor leaguers of average ability, right? For Thornton, it's probably just clearing out payroll.

As Ed Farmer says, this team never quits...HA

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 04:44 AM) So how many years of this kind of baseball are we talking about? 2? 5? 10? 2-3, the one thing to keep in mind is the Sox will have a much higher payroll than rebuilding teams like the Pirates and Marlins had in the past. Sox are going to have to find a way to start developing some stars on offense, as it's been far too long since they developed anyone from their system that can hit.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 04:43 AM) I think we'll get bodies. We're going to find out if they are any good. I just don't see teams giving up much for a rental in Crain. Isn't he a free agent after this year? And Matt Thornton? Cmon. That ship has sailed. That leaves guys like Peavy, Dunn and Rios. I happen to think we'll not be able to move Rios or Dunn and with Peavy's injury history? What general manager can give up studs for Jake Peavy at this point? I'd say our best bet to get a decent player is for Peavy, but a GM has to be careful with his history. There's no doubt the injuries to Peavy and Crain were devastating, but we just have to hope they return soon after the ASB.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 03:39 AM) LOL. Worst team in baseball except maybe for the Marlins. And I know nothing about their young players. Would u take the Marlins roster over the White Sox roster right now? I woudn't take the big league team, but good luck in finding anyone that thinks the Sox organization is in better shape than the Marlins (owners/payroll being equal). The Astros and Marlins suck, but at least they have very good farm systems. The Sox have one of the worst in the game, as you know. The two organizations that are in huge trouble going forward are the Sox and Brewers, in my opinion. Bad big league clubs with mediocre farm systems in divisions that are trending upwards.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 03:37 AM) Robin might be around a long, long time. The Sox wanted a quiet, professional stoic figure and got one. Seriously, we get that you want Ozzie back. If you think Ozzie could have won with this team, then he's a far better manager than even you ever gave him credit for.