fathom

If Stewart's pitching in PCL, then I don't really care what his numbers were. I remember Reds fans freaking out whent hey traded him for Rolen.

Ironic that maybe Teahen's best moment on the Sox came against Jason Frasor last year.

Stewart's not a bad addition...wouldn't be shocked to see him up in the majors the lst month making some starts.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 03:52 PM) So from the USA today story, we are not getting a prospect from TOR, StL is, we get Frasor and $10MM in salary relief. Sox must be getting all of Frasor paid for. Wow, just freaking wow

My 10:43AM prediction was pretty damn good

"All In" team to White Flag Part II....yet Kenny and Ozzie still have their jobs?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:42 PM) Thank you Adam Dunn and Alex Rios for ruining what could have been a magical year on the south side. And yet we're stuck with them the next few seasons without having financial flexibility to improve the team. We're f***ed

Jackson and Teahen not on the roster card today, according to Cowley

QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 07:40 AM) fwiw, Frasor's contract has a 2012 club option at $3.75M So we'd be saving a little over a million for next year's payroll with this deal? Barf

I'm sorry, but Meals should be suspended the rest of the year for that.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 06:54 AM) Kenny needs to be immediately fired if a AA spins Edwin into Rasmus and we get a short term reliever + nothing. If they're able to trade Edwin and one of their Type B relievers for Rasmus, KW should be run out of town so fast. Can't tell me that giving them Thornton instead of those Type B guys with some salary relief wouldn't be a better deal by the Sox (especially since the Cards are dying to have a lefty reliever).

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 06:54 AM) Kenny needs to be immediately fired if a AA spins Edwin into Rasmus and we get a short term reliever + nothing. Yep, Rasmus makes sense for Toronto as well.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 05:38 AM) Then we will see valuable trading chits being packaged with crap to free up payroll. In essence we will get little long term return on our value. It also adds to a level of risk that our remaining minor league assets might be added to sweeten the pie to remove players that might have little value. Outside of Viciedo, I'm not concerned about losing anyone from our system.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 06:29 AM) After what we saw from peavy and knowing that Humber is hitting a wall I can't believe anyone wants to see the sox subtract from their strength. Not unless a 5-4 loss to the best pitcher in the league has you hitting the eject button. One has to wonder if this team has lost so much money this year that KW's been ordered to slash some of the remaining payroll for the season? 28k tonight has to be disappointing.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 05:28 AM) I don't remember how the 1st Peavy deal unfolded. Same way. Poster on that site stated Peavy traded to Sox for 4 players pending his approval at around 10PM at night. Story then broke nationally next morning.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 05:25 AM) I don't get why this hasn't been reported ANYWHERE else is it actually has some merit. Neither was the first Peavy deal until the morning.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 05:22 AM) Heath Bell makes about as much sense as Edwin Jackson. That team is what? 10 out in the wild card and they're interested in a soon-to-be free agent closer? Is it odd that Rosenthal's report almost lends credence to the Jackson rumor? Something to consider from Toronto's POV is that maybe the Sox do this trade AND include salary relief. This really seems like a salary dump for the Sox for next year (Teahen's contract) while obtaining a righty reliever like they want.

Rosenthal stating that Toronto going after Wandy Rodriguez and Heath Bell

At what time does this trade break tomorrow? I'm guessing 10:43 AM.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 05:56 AM) Didn't that trade happen right at the deadline? Not at night...unless you mean the first one. First one

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 05:54 AM) Bingo. Every year KW has put the best team on the field. Most years, we don't win s***. The players change, but the GM remains. Who is at fault? I'd be willing to give KW a few more years if it means he brings in a new manager. However, if he's going to lack the balls to fire Ozzie and/or stand up to him, then I hope they both leave.

QUOTE (kapzk @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 05:48 AM) another tweeter posted that the same guy broke out the news of orlando cabrera/garland deal and also the 1st Peavy deal Was it kona that broke the Peavy deal? I remember someone on that board saying it out of nowhere late on a week night. I'd be stunned at this point if this rumor is false.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 05:47 AM) Being a paper champion is all a GM can do. And the bolded pat is absolutely true. People were as optimistic as ever after that game. They scored a ton of runs, Dunn hits a HR in his 2nd AB as a Sox player. Things are gravy. I hated the Rios and Peavy acquisitions, but the transactions that I feel KW was the most incompetent with was the Hudson/Jackson trade (and who knows if Rizzo f'd him over). Just showed a lot of short-sightedness, IMO.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:44 AM) I just laugh that people state bulls*** like "guys are problems in the clubhouse" as if they're f***ing facts. Not a single person here can make that claim and using that as something to support an argument is comical. Wait, you're arguing that Cabrera and Swisher weren't liked by his teammates?

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 04:42 AM) I don't know. It says our division is really bad? The struggles of Beckham, Rios, Pierre, and Morel haven't been a surprise. Perhaps the extent of them has been a surprise (but even that, not so much). I just find it ridiculous that so many people think Alex Rios underachieving massively/not giving good effort is a surprise. Or that Juan Pierre isn't aging well is a surprise. Or that Brent Morel not being able to hit MLB pitching is a surprise. Or that Gordon Beckham having an OPS under 700 again is a surprise. None of them are. Adam Dunn is a SHOCK, but those guys aren't a shock or surprise. As much as I hate Rios and had minimal hope for Morel, I never imagined they'd be two of the weakest hitters we've seen in a Sox jersey in a long time.