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BTW, why in the hell did Wedge just not pitch Herges in the 8th inning yesterday? Are the Indians that used to winning where they can sacrifice games to try and get Perez/Smith some confidence?

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 08:17 PM) huh, could have sworn they just said Guzman was not available this game That's twice in 2 weeks they've done that. Something strange is up with him.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 08:08 PM) I have no doubt in my mind that will see a third consecutive walk-off hit in a few minutes. That would be their 4th straight win via walkoff.

Really, ph Crowe for Garko? Nicely done Wedge, you suck

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 09:03 PM) Cool. I'm fine with that. Just please don't act like Jose has legitimate trade value or that teams should be knocking down Kenny's door in an attempt to get a deal done. More than anything, he just makes sense to a team like Milwaukee. I don't think anyone's expecting a huge return for him. Like I mentioned above, more to maybe save a few million and open up another spot in the rotation once this team falls out of it.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 08:59 PM) Do people really believe that a few starts after 3 years of mediocrity by a really, really old guy who's had health issues really has much of a trade market? Or are we just hoping that some team is dumb/desperate enough to give us anything of legitimate value for a guy that really has no value? Dumb enough and just a lack of other arms available.

QUOTE (scenario @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 07:58 PM) Regarding Getz... way too over-hyped?? Are you even being close to serious? I remember starting a thread on SoxTalk last year titled "Why not Getz?" to discuss him as a viable alternative for 2B this year when everybody else on the planet except him was being talked about by fans. It was apparent from that discussion that most people knew nothing about him and clearly did not think he was a legit candidate for the job. Look back at the spring training threads this year... most people thought of Getz as their candidate of least choice for the job (after Lillibridge and Nix). And I don't think anybody dreamed much less expected him to have a .400 OBP etc. Getz went from a no-name prospect to superstar prospect with one flare to center against KC, it seemed like. I remember reading how his added power last year would translate to potentially 15 homers in his rookie year. How many projected lineups this offseason did we see with Getz leading off? Sure seemed like a lot. I agree that we should be optimistic though, as our new prospects are of a different breed than previous ones.

QUOTE (OilCan @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 07:42 PM) Fathom I agree. Having a Christopher Getz on your team is necessary, period. And he should be the #8 or 9, IMHO. Question.......does anyone know if Getz has an arm to handle 3b? I know that he won't have the batting power like an a-typical 3b, but just wondering.....and sorry if we're going off-topic since this thread is about Stefan. I would say absolutely not. His throws on the double plays have shown very little arm strength.

Gotta love the team with the worst bullpen in baseball trying to play smallball with the bunt in the 8th inning. How does Wedge still have a job? Indians doing everything they can to not win this game.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 08:36 PM) Well Getz has limited tools (which I've said many times here) and wasn't high on him at all like some people cause of his AAA numbers in a bandbox. But with that said, a guy like Getz is what you need for the future. I believe he'll be one of those guys who walks as much as he strikesout, be a good contact hitter, hit for alittle pop now and then and hover around the .750 ops line. I wouldn't mind at all seeing him man 2B for a long time and Slayer over to SS and perhaps Alexei to CF/or traded. You gotta have that 2B and SS communication on the field. I called him the poor man's Pedroia for a reason. I still believe that if you want an above average team, Getz is your #9 hitter. In the AL, that's not really a bad thing.

VMart has really sucked since he hit that early 3 run homer yesterday.

QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 08:08 PM) The basic problem that the Cubs have isn't their hitting. That's pretty likely to come around a bit, especially when the great and always-hustling Aramis Ramirez comes back. The real problem they have is their bullpen (which their late rallies tend to obscure, interestingly). Kevin Gregg is not effective. Marmol hasn't had good command for most of the year. That's going to be an issue for them all year, I think. And, finally, the most telling thing that happened all year with that team was when the Giants were in a few months ago. Lincecum pitched. Lou's response? "Rest" most of the regulars. His reasoning was that they were in a long stretch of games, but it just said a lot to me about their makeup. They get fat off 3rd and 4th and 5th starters in Wrigley all year. But they couldn't hit good pitching in the playoffs the past 2 years, and when it's time to face a good one this year, well, Lou basically folded up. Seemed very . . . quitter-like. Ascanio and Guzman have had very good years for them under the radar. You forget they even have Heilman.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 08:06 PM) Being overly skeptical about prospects is what leads to the attitude that they're all just trade chips for mediocre veterans. I think this site is very, very optimistic when it comes to prospects, even though the Sox have a TERRIBLE history of developing their own. I think some of the backlash toward Gartrell is from people who don't get the David Cook love. One thing people need to remember is not every prospect is supposed to be a superstar. Maybe Gartrell can come up and be a 4th outfielder. Same goes for Shelby, who's been destroying LHP this season. Getz is an example of a guy that was way too overhyped, as people were expecting a .400 OBP and 40 steals it seems like. He's a decent little player, but probably will never be near All-star caliber. That's fine though.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 07:04 PM) I will be very disappointed in Sox management if Jenks is on this team August 1st. I don't expect him to be. That's why if this team continues to show no upward movement away from .500 ball, they have to blow it up. I think by the end of June, if this team is more than 6 games out of 1st, changes need to happen. We have a very difficult schedule next week, as we face some terrific pitchers.

The issue with Jenks is that of all the contenders, very few actually need a closer. The Phillies are w/o Lidge, but I can't see them making a huge deal with Lidge returning soon. The Brewers bullpen is ok with Hoffman back there.

QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 06:56 PM) What can you say? It's a team full of frontrunners. Once 1 or 2 get it going, a bunch of the others will, especially against lousy pitching. That's their makeup. (It's one of the reasons that they've been a bad playoff hitting team, when they can't feast on bad pitchers.) Hell, you know they're getting it going that way when Fukucrappo gets a hit. A positive I was thinking about yesterday is that even if the Cubs do make the postseason, there's almost no chance they'd have home field advantage throughout if the Dodgers make it past round 1. I'm assuming that the wild card will come out of the NL East (Mets and Phillies both make it).

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 07:55 PM) Who will be our closer now and in the future if we trade Jenks? I realize relievers arms fall off (poor Soria) but cmon. Thornton is not a closer. Thornton absolutely could be a closer. Do you realize Jenks is going to become very expensive, very soon? His effectiveness this year is way down, and I think it's pretty scary that he has not only lost a few mph on his fastball over the years (on average), but he also is struggling with his curve. Look no closer than his home run rate against for proof.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 07:49 PM) I still say some of you are in a dream world regarding Jose. He's not going to bring anything decent in return. I give him credit for his performance of late. But No GM is going to give up anything but crap for him. At this point, I wouldn't mind a trade or two but Jose isn't going to bring us squat. Ok greg, which pitchers are available that anyone would actually want? Bedard's going nowhere with his injury issues. Marquis is going nowhere with the recent success of the Rockies. I'm all for freeing up a few extra million while giving Poreda the chance to start some games after the ASB.

Ugh, they're getting some big time clutch hits now. Must be nice to have a lefty power bat on your bench.

QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 07:45 PM) Well, DeRosa is in town. You're awesome!!

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 06:03 AM) I don't know. I do get that 'awakened sleeping giant' vibe. No kidding, Lee even admitted yesterday that Thursday gave them the confidence to fight back at the end of a game. Lee's at it again today...him and Soto must have got their shipment finally sent to them this season.

I disagree a little Marty, but good stuff...I hope to see you post more.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 07:08 PM) Highly doubt you could get Gamel for Contreras and Jenks. Why would we want Gamel? If Fields and Viciedo can't play 3rd, it's likely Beckham will play there.

A more realistic person the Sox would be interested in is the hard throwing, pot smoking Jeremy Jeffress.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jun 20, 2009 -> 02:58 PM) And if Jose comes out and pitches like he did in the 2 games before that would you want to keep him then? Absolutely not...even before last night, I said he should have been traded last Saturday. It's not like he's all of a sudden throwing 96 mph again. This will probably come across as bashing Jose, but it's really not meant to...but his first two games back were great conditions. The Tigers game was the 2nd game of a DH with the Tigers going through the motions, and the other game against the Brewers was a game where they couldn't see anything due to the shadows. He's throwing better than he did prior to going down to AAA (obviously), but last night is probably what you can expect.