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Joe Crede continues one of the worst defensive seasons I've ever seen.

What in the hell do we have to do to get Swisher and Crede out of the lineup?

QUOTE (scenario @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 10:22 PM) Where did you see that? In the articles I read (Trib and SunTimes), it seemed that he was struggling with command, but I didn't see any mention of speed. Comcast this morning. They said his splitter was as good as it's been all season.

I heard that BP has the Twins at 79 pct likely to win the AL Central. I don't think it should be nearly that high.

CQ needs to be healthy and playing at a high level for this team to have a chance at the postseason.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 09:38 PM) Owens in LF, Quentin scratched. Well Ozzie gets what he wanted to put together on opening day. Thank god the baseball gods decided for none of that, and sacrificed Owens to the cause. Tonight's game thread should be full of Jerry Owens supporters.

It's going to be interesting to see him pitch, as it sounds like his fastball is in the mid 80s right now.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 04:42 AM) Every team is going to have holes going into the off-season, and I'm actually happy those are ours. In reality, those 3 are probably the easiest to fill. Agreed, you know from our PM a few days ago that we both feel KW's in a much better position to build for the next few years than he was at this point last season.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 05:17 AM) First off- my fault, I thought it said "aren't". Secondly- the Mariners aren't going to want tons for Beltre. If they think they will get our best pitching prospect for a .260 hitter with a gold glove for 1 year, they're nuts. They'll likely want Fields and Broadway, and that's fine with me. It'd probably be impossible to get both Roberts and Beltre, but it all depends on how much Baltimore would want for their 1-year rental. So if they want Fields/Broadway for Beltre, don't you think there's 5 other teams that will beat that package? They asked for Slowey, Blackburn, or Perkins from the Twins, along with another prospect. Their asking price will drop a little in the offseason, even though Beltre's on quite the tear right now (raising his value).

There's a better chance of Hank Blalock being our 3rd baseman next year than Beltre. I'm a big fan of Beltre's, but he's become very overrated on this site (Eric Chavez-esque).

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 05:11 AM) Are you serious? Who cares? It's called "don't negotiate with him" then. Keep him for the year, and let him walk. If he isn't going to want tons per year, then maybe sign him to a 2-4 year deal, but if he's going to want what Crede does, screw it. And BTW- how can you think 3rd and 2nd aren't big holes? Going into next year, we might have Getz and Fields at those spots, and that would be brutal. Beltre will want more than what Crede wants. Why trade all of your prospects (Beltre would likely cost us Poreda) for a one year rental? Also, I did say that 2b/3b are big holes.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 05:04 AM) The key on that trade is still gettign the Brewers to take on more salary. Oh, of course, and freeing up the salary for the Sox to acquire more players. I don't think anyone on here really wants to see us make a move like that again, unless it's to clear Konerko's contract.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 05:04 AM) Trade for Brian Roberts and Adrian Beltre. Sign or trade for a good/great relief pitcher as Linebrink clearly can't be counted on for a full season. Who are all these great prospects we have to trade for? Also, do you really think KW will trade for Beltre, who is a Boras client heading into his walk season. The 5th starter spot, 3rd base, and 2nd base are the biggest holes by far.

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 04:58 AM) So if we just beef up the pen, remaining in 2004 style will pay off. No thanks. It was working quite well earlier this year when Linebrink was healthy. KW should be very thankful that the 2005 team won the World Series, as trading Carlos Lee for Scott Podsednik has to be one of the worst trades in recent history (in terms of talent level).

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 04:49 AM) You can talk about the hitless wonder stretches in 05 all day but that team: -could hit clutch -had stellar defense -found endless ways to win by only a run All things that are easy to do when you have a bullpen that is among the best in baseball history.

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 04:43 AM) Isn't Duch on the DL now though? Yep, and there's been rumors of a degenerative hip condition.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 03:30 AM) For what we have right now I wouldnt really mind that, but its more of a patch than a fix I think, atleast until we get a better leadoff hitter. A patch for the next 3 years?

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 03:29 AM) Any guesses for what? Maybe in some sort of package for Duchsherer and/or Street.

Here's an option...put Ramirez in the 2nd spot in the lineup!

QUOTE (joesaiditstrue @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 04:28 AM) Fields had so much trade value early on in the season, and we kept him for a reason I have no idea on now that we know Uribe can play 3rd with stellar ability No doubt in my mind Fields was going to be traded by July 31st, but then Crede had to go and injure his back again.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 04:24 AM) I don't understand how this can solely rest on the #1 and #2 hitters???? If we are 8th in the AL in OBP, how does that rest only on Cabrera and AJ? The 3rd base position has been a disaster since May.

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 04:20 AM) What can we do? Start over next season. Get back to pitching + defense and the ability to play small ball to compliment our already there slugging ability. Isn't that exactly what OC was supposed to bring us? You talk about getting players to get on base, and that's what Swisher was supposed to bring us.

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 04:20 AM) Welcome to your 2004 White Sox, as I've been saying all year. That team, like this one, was a HR-dependent, feast or famine team with zero speed and a revolving door 5th starter. So we got rid of big bats Magglio and Lee and basically built our version of the Twins. And bang: we win the World Series. So, if it aint broke, fix it, right? Yet here we are three years later and its 2004 all over again. Our big fix-it trade made no sense whatsoever unless he was literally brought in because Paulie and Swisher weren't hitting. What can we do? Start over next season. Get back to pitching + defense and the ability to play small ball to compliment our already there slugging ability. Get a real leadoff hitter. No more experiments. Just say no to any more 2004 lineups. Ugh, no offense, but I cringe at comments like this. You put the 2005 starting pitching and bullpen with the 2003 or 2004 offenses, and you have a likely World Series winner. So many people forget how mediocre the Sox offense was for portions of the 2005 season. The reason this team has a revolving 5th starter spot is due to an injury. The 2005 Sox had a much worse 5th starter situation coming into that year, and then Duque goes and gets hurt. Thankfully, McCarthy was able to pick up some HUGE victories.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Sep 2, 2008 -> 02:53 AM) I think the middle of the order (excluding Quentin) is a major part of the problem. Against tough pitching, we struggle to get singles and doubles. We give up easy outs constantly. I include Crede in this as much as anyone. Actually, the middle of the order is one of the best in baseball. If you're talking about hitting tough pitching, Jermaine Dye and Quentin are spectacular at that. Even Thome has had a lot of success against the better righty pitchers in baseball. Crede sucks....the sooner the left side of our infield is out of the organization, the better.

No matter what else happens on the show, I just like to focus on the original prisoners from Fox River.