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QUOTE(mr_genius @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:52 PM) not much of an accomplishment. anytime one of the sox relievers come in I could "call" a bad outing. I would be right like 80% of the time. Ha, true. I was referring more to playing into the Jays hands by facing Wells instead of Stairs.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:50 PM) For f*** sake...bring up Charlotte's pen and just keep Bobby. And for you b****es blaming Ozzie, what the f*** is he supposed to do....bring in a position player because whatever reliever he'll bring in (not named Bobby) is going to suck miserably. Quick question: do you find no fault with Ozzie for blowing 10 games with late leads?

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:50 PM) For f*** sake...bring up Charlotte's pen and just keep Bobby. And for you b****es blaming Ozzie, what the f*** is he supposed to do....bring in a position player because whatever reliever he'll bring in (not named Bobby) is going to suck miserably. This is f***ing worse than that Boston bullpen by committee of a couple years ago. Good lord. I'm not blaming Ozzie for this loss....but when someone continues to make decisions that end up costing us runs/games in the 6th thru 8th inning, he does deserve some blame. We really have to stop letting Contreras start innings when he's around the 100 pitch mark though.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:48 PM) ozzie brings in throrton to pitch, you b****. ozzie brings in aardmsma to pitch, you whine. ozzie brings in anyone and you complain. wtf, it's very simple concept, almost the entire pen sucks... that means just about anyone he brings in will suck understand? I like Matt Thornton. I'd have no problem bringing him in....except for it forced Toronto to put their best player into the game. This is second or third guessing....I called this situation about 5 minutes before it happened.

3 of the last 7 outings for Aardsma have resulted in him giving up 4 runs or more.

QUOTE(LVSoxFan @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:44 PM) So out of curiosity, how many blown games for our bullpen this year so far? Blown saves is a worthless stat. This will be game #10 in which we've lost after leading in the 6th inning or later.

QUOTE(TheOcho @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:42 PM) Oh bulls***. No matter what, Danks was a great pickup. Of course...I meant for the 2007 season though. You know, the season KW said he wouldn't forget about when making moves this offseason. Danks and Jenks are the two players I actually enjoy watching these days.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:41 PM) sicking up for your players in public is better than trashing them in the media IMO who do you want to replace them with? i don't think our minor league rosters have enough talent to shore up this pen. do you want ozzie to make some trades? do you want him to scout the minors for some prospects for the pen? I don't care if he sticks up for them publically or not....it's just that he keeps putting players out there who are clearly not 100 pct to struggle. He left Pods out there to die last year, and he's doing the same with MacDougal this year.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:41 PM) Send f***ing Aardsma and MacDougal down to AAA, they both suck. Macdougal actually can't be sent down, so f***ing release his ass, i dont care what he has done in the past or that he is signed till 09, he needs to go. Prinz and Vasquez should be called up. MacDougal should have been placed on the DL weeks ago.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:40 PM) I want Willams front and center telling me how bad he f***ed up this winter! Let's hope Danks starts throwing well again. If he continues to have bad command, we're really going to have nothing on this 2007 team that KW can say he helped add this offseason.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:38 PM) Boy I had that one pegged didn't I? Ugh. Take the high road. If other people want to bump what you said, let them. Don't take any pride in saying things that come true if you know they'll upset people.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:36 PM) DL MMac. His leg is bother him. Bring up Printz. I've noticed that MacDougal's stride is all messed up. He's overstriding, which is causing him to aim his fastball and have little movement on what used to be a great slider.

QUOTE(caulfield12 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:35 PM) Because Day doesn't belong on a major league roster, and Masset's best role might be as a starter. Which means you want to bring up Oneli Perez or Ryan Bukvich and eat MacDougal's contract? You don't just give up on guys with that type of stuff without trying to figure out what's wrong first. Oneli Perez is bad. Prinz is the best guy to call up, but he's had some shoulder stiffness.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:35 PM) well in all fairness to ozz, he has nothing to work with out of the pen. i don't care what manager you have on the sox bench, these relievers would still be giving up big time runs. Then he needs to stop sticking up for underachieving players (which he always does), and send their ass to the DL or the minors. I hate how both managers of the Chicago teams seem to be making it look like it's all the GM's decision.

I'm still shocked that MacDougal got Overbay out.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:31 PM) So now we are pitching around Aaron Hill? Come on man, our bullpen sucks and it's all Kenny's fault. No matter what we do this pen is going to lose us just about every close game. A lot of things have been Ozzie's fault the last few years but this is not one of them. It's not Ozzie's call to pitch around someone....it's Thornton and Hall who should be smart enough to know the situation.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:30 PM) the pen can't get anyone out. i know in your world "everything is ozzies fault". but come on. Well, Ozzie is the one making the moves out there. s***ty bullpen or not, when he makes a move and it costs us a game, he's going to get the blame as well as the reliever.

Why not pitch carefully to Hill there, who hits lefties well? Lind was on deck, and he's horrific against LHP. They also had just used their only real weapon on the bench.

I don't care if Wells is 0 for his last 100, and Stairs is hitting well....I'll take my chances against Stairs every single time. Ozzie over the last 5 years has made every move imaginable during a game to not let Stairs face us.

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:26 PM) Cubs fans trashing the field again What happened in the game to cause it?

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 06:48 PM) Every situation is different. How about not guessing about every thing and thinking the worst. That would be nice, wouldn't it? Why insult my own intelligence though? It's like people thinking we'll go after ARod this year.

I'm sure glad we left in Thornton to face Hill, who is much better against lefty pitching. How does anyone defend Ozzie anymore? Looks like loss #10 when leading in the 6th inning or later.

My gosh, fire this clown. Of course, Ozzie always does think Matt Stairs is more dangerous than any other hitter in baseball.

Fastball pitcher vs fastball hitter here. MacDougal's slider is the type of pitch that Frank usually struggles with.

Did MacDougal walk Thomas on purpose?