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QUOTE(briguy27 @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 05:23 PM) and they just opened that roof this place they play in shouldnt even have baseball played in it. what a dump. that or it just seems like a dump. has anyone ever been to the rogers centre? Been there...and it was great.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 05:19 PM) Hawk is already starting the Cy Youngification of another so-so pitcher. That didn't take long, did it?

Ugh, this is going to be a long day. We might want to break up this 3-4-5 combination we have right now....do anything to change the dynamics of this lineup.

Wow, swing the stinking bat. That's embarrassing, yet again, for Thome. That's 3 times in last week Thome has K'd looking with a man on 3rd and less than 2 outs.

Make yourself useful Thome.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 05:09 PM) First on the list should be Egbert. Throws strikes. Doesn't give up homers. Keeps the ball on the ground. Sounds like a recipe for immediate success. Yep, what we need is someone who can pitch to contact. Too many of our relievers have to rely on the strike out in order to get guys out. I don't even want to know what percentage of hits does Aardsma allow on balls put in play.

Floyd's ERA is 4.29, giving up a batting average near .300, and his WHIP is about 1.50.

QUOTE(South Side Fireworks Man @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 04:55 PM) I think it has more to do with the Sox playing a day game in Canada. They just didn't have the time to get someone up to Toronto in time for today's game. Ya, I just thought it was interesting how those comments were being made around 4 o'clock yesterday. If they REALLY wanted to make a change, I'm sure there would have been enough time.

Marcum's been nasty as a starter, as he gives up very few hits in his starts. I said before the series that Thome needs to help lead us against righty pitching this series, and he's been brutal so far. Big game for the confidence of Danks today. He's looked bad his last few starts.

QUOTE(spiderman @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 04:32 PM) I'd like to see Gavin Floyd get a shot right now. I don't care if he's been starting or is projected to be a starting pitcher. He's been fine in the minors, and we n eed help in the majors right now if we're planning on being anything more than a .500 team. I also would like to see Boone Logan face more than just lefties. Right now, our bullpen sucks, and if he's pitching good against lefties, then I'd rather give him a chance against other hitters than continue to bring out the same old garbage that continues to not produce. Also would like to see Nick Masset get an opportunity in the late innings. Ozzie said he's not experienced enough, but how did that work for Matt Thorton last season ? Please.. I'm not opposed to trying out other arms from the minors as well. Aardsma needs to go back to the minors, and MacDougle needs to go there or the DL, whatever works. So, 2 open spots right now. Floyd, and somebody else. Now. Gavin Floyd is awful. By the way, since when have teams only been able to make roster moves when they're at home? I keep hearing about how all of these changes are going to happen tomorrow.

QUOTE(TheOcho @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 03:50 AM) Hm they didn't show that for me... what's it called? "The Game Plan"....there's no one cooler than the Rock, but I liked the movie better the first time when it was called "Big Daddy".

QUOTE(TheOcho @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 11:46 PM) Knocked Up was pretty damn funny. The soon to be wife made me see it today. It was solid, but it really dragged at points. And I also can't believe how bad the preview for the new movie with the Rock in it looked.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 03:38 AM) Just based on memory, and without looking at BAPIP, it sure seemed like Hermanson was a lot luckier with regards to line drives hit right at people. I don't know what was in Politte's right arm in 2005, but he had an amazing slider and a great two-seam fastball. But yeah... that year was really something to behold. Ha, Hermanson sure had that warning track fly out pitch working. He had an amazing splitter during the first few months, but once he lost that, he was basically throwing 90 mph fastballs down the plate. Hermanson also had a knack for getting very good hitters, like Tejada, VMart, and Sweeney to pop up meatballs in big situations. QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 03:38 AM) Just based on memory, and without looking at BAPIP, it sure seemed like Hermanson was a lot luckier with regards to line drives hit right at people. I don't know what was in Politte's right arm in 2005, but he had an amazing slider and a great two-seam fastball. But yeah... that year was really something to behold. Politte had amazing control that year. He started to lose it towards the end of the season, but his control for 90 pct of the year was what Aardsma's control in April was like.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 03:27 AM) the starters all had a great year, but each of them have done that before or since. so i wouldn't really say those were flukey or merely career years. the pen, yea, there was some big time "probably not gonna happen again" type pitching in 2005. but bullpen pitchers are often prone to up and down seasons. it seems like everyone in the 2007 pen is having a horrible down year. top that off with the horrible seasons some of our all-star caliber hitters are having ... it's been ugly lately. Yeah, I always say Neal Cotts allowing one homer all season throwing only 91 mph high fastballs is one of the most astonishing stats you'll ever see. Also, I'm pretty sure Cliff Politte has the lowest percentage of hits on balls put in play.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Jun 3, 2007 -> 03:00 AM) Pods, had good had good years before 2005 - not a career year Iguchi had good years in Japan before 2005 - not a career year Konerko had good years before 2005 - not a career year Dye had good years before 2005 - not a career year Crede had an average year in 2005 - not career year Uribe had an average year in 2005 - not a career year Frank got hurt - certainly not a career year Garland had an average year Garcia had an average year Buehrle had a good year Count had a good year We had career years from so many pitchers that year, especially our relievers. We also were the benefits of other teams suffering injuries during the last 1/3 of the year....something that has hurt us in recent years. We definitely deserved to win it that year though, don't get me wrong.

Unless the Yanks are paying about 80 pct of Abreu's contract, this would be the type of move that would destroy our teams chances the next few years also. Abreu makes a lot of money, and he's worthless against LHP also. His defense is pathetic as well.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 10:16 PM) totally no way that team was a "fluke" It was a fluke in terms of how everything came together with guys having career years and other teams, besides the Indians, having a lot of issues in the AL. However, for about 80 pct of the season, the Sox were clearly the best team on the field. If you want to point to a team that fluked it's way to the WS, the Cards last year is the best example.

Two things: - Ozzie and Abreu are good buddies - Abreu sucks....blatant juicer

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 08:48 PM) You are part of some group that may go after A-Rod? The Sox have went after A-Rod twice already, why wouldn't you think they would go after him again if he is indeed available? If you want to be mr. negativity then go ahead - even make yourself feel better and tell yourself you are just being realistic (which is a joke). However, you and everyone like you could keep it to yourselves. It is easier to be negative and be right, which is what most negative people seem to care about - being right. There is also the common negative person's battle cry - "I don't think this will work, but I would love to be proven wrong." Most on here hate Jay Mariotti and his negative bulls*** about the team we love, but at the same time a lot of posters seem to be exactly like him. As far as Buehrle - he seems to be different than other pitchers the Sox have just let walk or traded away. I could be wrong and the Sox may not give a crap about re-signing him, but I believe they will make every effort possible. Many here were wrong about not being able to re-sign Paulie as well. I hate the negative attitudes. The only difference is we wouldn't be trading for ARod...we'd have to sign him this offseason and go up against plenty of other teams who want him. When it comes to trades and signings, I'm definitely not Mr. Pessimist on this site. I think we have a chance to go after Ichiro if JR thinks the move will help this organization on and off the field. I do agree with you that Buehrle is different than Colon, etc. However, he's having too good of a season this year, and his price is going crazy. Teams like the Mets are going to have a lot of money to spend on quality starting pitching this offseason. QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 08:48 PM) As far as Buehrle - he seems to be different than other pitchers the Sox have just let walk or traded away. I could be wrong and the Sox may not give a crap about re-signing him, but I believe they will make every effort possible. Many here were wrong about not being able to re-sign Paulie as well. I hate the negative attitudes. BTW, if the Sox don't win the World Series, then there was no way they were bringing back PK.

I believe it's 28 runs in last 13 innings combined for these guys.

I really hope KW doesn't overpay for some mediocre veteran reliever like Weathers. Hell, trade Crede for Lidge, and give him a shut as our set-up man.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:58 PM) then I say take the drastic step and bring jenks in during 7/8, at this point I would rather see the bad pen blow it in the 8/9, something different Yeah....if something continues to not work, don't keep doing it. Be creative...hell, make Massett the set-up guy or call up Gio to do it (I think I just gave Flash a heart attack).

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:57 PM) please tell me who the hell you're talking about bringing into the game? Because I see no one in the pen getting anyone out. I'm sure you can find many other things to hang on Ozzie, but you're forcing the issue here. His hands are tied. Let Thornton start the inning then. The fun thing is that it's not my job to make these decisions. Good move or not, it's Ozzie's job, and nothing is working.

The thing that sucks is that this seems like deja vu this year, with the bullpen coming in after a starter allows a few base runners, and then we blow the lead and the game. Last year, the deja vu was with Vazquez's 6th inning.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 2, 2007 -> 07:54 PM) I actually think this has been Ozzie's best year as a manager, albeit the last couple games have not been as good. Has he made some mistakes, sure, but every manager does, and I think the main issue with the blown 10 games is the fact that this is one of the worse pens in baseball over the past few years. I'd have to say he managed better in 2005 In all honesty, he was a very good manager during April. However, he's really struggled the last couple of weeks. In no way am I saying this is all his fault. However, when things are going this bad, it's up to the GM and Manager to do something about it.