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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:57 AM) Well, It's not the best deal I could have hoped for, but it's at least not the worst either. So where exactly did that Phil Rogers article get the quote from KW that says he's not going to resign anyone? Or is that just something Rogers is inferring (which, as far as I can tell, is the truth). Considering Rogers asked other executives for their opinion on it, I think it's 100 pct legit.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:55 AM) I'm with you and Rowand44 on this one. I'm going to wait for this to pan out and then react. Nothing to get you're panties in a bunch for now. Sure, we all thought we could get more for Freddy, but we don't know the type of deals that were on the table or the real value that Freddy had. Relax, take a breath, and let's not throw away the next 3 seasons because we traded away 1 player. I might be the only one, but I dreaded games where Garcia was pitching. I never was confident we'd win with him on the mound, and I hated knowing how slow he'd work and how a walk turned into a double. I'm excited at the thought of watching McCarthy start next year.

QUOTE(3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:51 AM) I hate the deal, but where does Phil get that there is no chance of bringing back the other starters? Supposedly KW said that he's not going to extend anyone's deal today.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:51 AM) That could be true but I still think Buehrle has more value than Garcia. And let me say the only way I'm a proponent of dealing Mark is if he was honest and said he wants to break the bank this contract since it will be his last one (which I'd respect). I think the Cardinals, by missing out on Schmidt, will now have the big dough to spend on Buehrle next offseason.

Phil Rogers is the Sam Smith of baseball. I'm stunned he didn't have a full list of proposed trades for the Sox now. Also, as the article shows, the "open for business" comment was in regards to making more trades to add to the team, but rather it's in regards to trading more starting pitchers.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:49 AM) I don't give a flying f*** about the non smart fan, I want to win. I hate when people worry about terrible press, it's about wins, not press. And we'll never see crowds like 2006 saw again unless we win the World Series and the bandwagoners return, it's just life. Yes, but the non-smart fans are the ones who are going to the games, and that equates to higher attendance = higher payroll (or that's how it should be). Bandwagon fans are only good for baseball for that reason.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:48 AM) If thats the case, than we deal Buehrle for Pelfrey and Heilman or Pelfrey & Milledge or swing him for Sanchez, Melky and someone else from the Yanks. Than you end up having Jose, Garland and Vaz in your rotation as the veteran 3 and than see what sticks with the other two knowing that Floyd, Bmac, Pelfrey are all potential top of the line rotation guys and behind that you'd have Gio/Broadway/Haeger (two of which are again at least middle of the rotation and in Gio's case potential #2). After the Garcia trade, my opinion is that the you're going to have to lower your desired package by a lot.

QUOTE(supernuke @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:48 AM) Does anyone know if it is possible that another team could select Gio in the ruleV draft? NO

QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:47 AM) Hopefully KW isn't serious about the rebuilding crap....just when you have the city by the balls you don't let go for this kind of bs. Considering KW's less than adequate ability at getting equal talent when he trades veterans, I hope he's not our GM if we do go into a rebuilding mode. However, as others have mentioned, it's pathetic to even be discussing this after the last two years and the attendance we've brought in.

QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:45 AM) There you go, like I said, the rebuilding is starting now. Lets see how this affects tickets next year. back to the old plan. Even if KW is bluffing, this is terrible press. Especially considering the Cubs are spending so much money, this really looks bad for the Sox (to the non-smart fan who just bases their opinion on what they read in the papers).

QUOTE(greg775 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:44 AM) Why is the Trib propaganda? That writer is very fair, he's nothing like Moronotti. He said he asked KW flat out if all those starters would be out and he said yes. I wouldn't shoot the trib messenger. And it explains the panic mode that KW went into after the Schmidt/Lilly signings.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:42 AM) the article tells me kenny williams is an intelligent man...it means that in an ever increasingly ridiculous market, you must fill certain spots with guys who will be as productive as a guy like garcia(mccarthy) internally for cheap. its nothing billy beane hasnt been doing in the recent past KW better start drafting better and developing his players better. However, we shouldn't aspire to act like a small market team like the A's.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:40 AM) Holy crap...hold me I'm scared, you prospect people may win out and the Sox may very well suffer. Count me in the non prospect club, basically due to the fact I don't believe we have the slightest clue how to develop young players.

QUOTE(greg775 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:38 AM) And fathom said it all. That article on our future is scary. Suddenly we've become the Marlins again. All about saving money. My god. After drawing all those millions of fans this year. What has happened in the last 24 hours? We've become a small market team again??? Sad, very sad. Oops this got added to my last post; wanted to make sure it was seen. It's too early to tell for sure what we're going to do financially, but the writing has been on the wall about the philosophy the second Soriano signed his contract.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:38 AM) just outa curiosity....how do you know? He lost the hitch in his delivery, which took away his deceptiveness.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines

QUOTE(KevHead0881 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:35 AM) I agree that some invest too much confidence in the powers of Coop, but to be fair, the players you listed had problems that had more to do with their head or testicular fortitude. When it comes to mechanical problems though, I generally trust Coop. Neal's problem was all mechanics last year.

Well, this article is downright scary. http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines If KW isn't bluffing, things are about to get very ugly. So much for extending the deals on our starters.

QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:30 AM) Coop watched Cotts pitch all year and apparently couldn't fix him. Buehrle pitched like crap and coop couldn't fix him. This coop thing is blown way out of proportion. Is he the only pitching coach capable of helping pitchers? brutal trade. Arrogance....but at least we'll have Sandy's veteran leadership behind home plate.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:29 AM) Sounds eerily similar to Thornton... or Stephen Randolph.

After hearing how the Sox watched an hour of tape and decided they could fix some of his flaws, it reminds me of this great saying "Don't worry, Coop can fix him".

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:22 AM) No, but Kenny Rogers is going to start declining one day or another, I still don't think Robertson is a good pitcher, who knows how Maroth will come back and Zach Minor is a bum. The only two pitchers I'd have confidence in if I'm a Tigers fan are Bonderman and Verlander. Andrew Miller and Ledezma could be solid.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:17 AM) If the Phils could have picked up Baldelli, Upton or Crawford as is being mentioned here for crap, they would have done so. I'm very dissapointed with Kenny Williams, and this isn't the first time I have been this offeason. Sickening. Why would the Phillies want Baldelli? They needed pitching, and if anything, they're looking to get rid of some outfielders.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:15 AM) Not to mention that the Tigers have gotten considerably better with Sheffield. We seem to be moving laterally, if not slightly forward/backward. I still think the Indians are going to be a major contender next season.

In some ways, it seemed like KW was in panic mode tonight trying to get a deal done after the Schmidt/Lilly signings. On Comcast before, he said there were several intriguing offers, but this was the one he liked the most.