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QUOTE(ExpatNYC @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:10 AM) I'm confused by this move. I like the idea of getting two arms for one. But these two? I have to believe KW is going to move one more pitcher. Vazquez? We better not be trading anymore starting pitchers. I'm just very confused about our bullpen....it's arguably weaker now than it was to end last season. We need more depth in the bullpen, as it's crazy to expect MacDougal to stay healthy.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:07 AM) If the Rays traded Cantu, Iwanura could move to 2nd base with Fields coming in at 3rd base, so it'scertainly possible. But it may not even be Rocco Baldelli we're going after. Has anyone thought of the possibility of acquiring B.JUpton to play in the OF instead? Could he be the leadoff hitter we need? I'd rather have Rocco than Upton. Rocco's at least proven he can hit the ball in the majors.

I'll feel much better about this offseason when an improvement is made in either LF or CF.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:02 AM) Then why did you say 92 in the first place? Because that's around the range of his average fastball. You should know better than anyone how scouting services always seem to mention the highest velocity possible, when in reality, the average is a few mph slower. BTW, people might want to close their eyes when they look up Floyd's minor league numbers the last two years.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:59 AM) Sox don't know ANYTHING about power arms. Cough*Jenks*cough*Thornton*cough*MacDougal*cough*Aardsma Obviously I was referring to starting pitchers, and in relation to the starters we're drafting lately. QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 05:00 AM) Heh. Sickels says he touches 95 and sits at 93-94. But I'll trust you, fathom. Didn't you see the BA article I referenced before saying how he tops out at 94, but his velocity drops frequently due to delivery issues?

QUOTE(Capn12 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:58 AM) The SQL gremlins are back on the board tonight!! Double posts a plenty!! After thinking about it for a bit, I'm not too bothered by the move. I know that watching Freddy Garcia pitch in 2006 resulted in some of the most agonizing baseball viewing that you can go through....a seemingly indifferent attitude from a supposed stud pitcher, never knowing what he was going to give you.....I'll gladly take that $10 mill off the ledger, and spend it on better options. And the one major positive....Brandon McCarthy is going to be in the starting rotation. It will be comical to see Ozzie's leash on him this season.

Considering our scouting, 92 mph with a curve is a power arm.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:46 AM) I'm not a big Gavin Floyd fan but I think he's the type of guy that needs a change of scenery and I'll take Gio over any of the prospects you all talked about aside from Danks/Hurley/Pelfrey so I really am not that dissapointed. Especially because i think we will see Floyd and someone moved for Baldelli. Here's my ideal move: Fields and Floyd for Baldelli, Sox re-sign Crede.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:44 AM) I'm thinking Gavin is going to be in the bullpen as the long reliever: Bobby, Thornton, MacD, Aaaaaaaaardsma, Boone, Gavin. That would be my guess as of right now. Well...if that's true, then KW has failed in improving our bullpen.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:42 AM) Apparently he forgot about the 2-7 hitters on the Sox. Let him be. Our 2-7 is good...it's the other 33 pct that worries me about our offense. We can't go into this season hoping that Dye/Thome/PK produce the way they have, and I'm worried that AJP is on the decline already.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:41 AM) And how many games would Lofton and Floyd actually play for the Cubs? Floyd would play probably 40 games, but Lofton seems to be keeping himself in good shape. Enough about the Cubs though...sorry I brought them up.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:40 AM) Rich Hill still looked upon higher than McCarthy??? Equal I would say. I was actually pleasantly surprised with McCarthy's value over the last month.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:34 AM) Ah, Fathom back with his always over-the-top posts. Spectacular. You learn something every day, though -- apparently Soriano is worth 150 runs. Once the Cubs sign Lofton and Floyd, their lineup is going to be very dangerous in the NL. As long as we have Uribe, Pods, and Anderson still in the lineup, my hopes for the offense aren't high.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:33 AM) I echo that, they can't have a salary dump move after the attendance last year, that would be in horrible faith. Especially with what the Cubs are doing right now.

QUOTE(My Dixie Normus @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:30 AM) There is no reason to believe that McCarthy won't do that. The chances of him being the next Cy Young, like so many have been treating him, are not looking all that good. If Contreras can't stay healthy and McCarthy sucks, we are the Cubs. I don't get why they do this before locking up the season ticket money. Cubs have a better offense

QUOTE(kevo880 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:29 AM) Gavin is a top notched prospect that got roughed up in half a season in the major leagues...why does this not make him a top prospect still? I hope he spends the year at AAA and shows he has his s*** together and step into the rotation possibly in 2007. Cause his stuff has deteriorated, and there's concerns about his mental make-up.

QUOTE(kwolf68 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:29 AM) That being said, I do wish we could have gotten a little more...this was a trade you'd see from a team rebuilding and not one contending. Bingo...that's the scariest part of the whole trade.

QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:27 AM) This is one of the worst trades I have actually seen. We get two minor leaguers who won't make it big time for a 17-20 game winner. You can keep your GIO. I am sure he will have a spot in our pen because he is a lefthander, but will crap down his pant leg for the next two years, and floyd will never make it. Horrible trade, but for all you guys who are in love with prospects you should be rejoicing in the fleecing and embarrassment of the winter meetings. makes me want to cancel the season tickets. Oh by the way we still have all the same holes we had yesterday.Gavin Floyd, what a joke. Wait until next year when we back up the truck. Gavin Floyd equals Tim redding. Yep...next year is the last year in our "window". I was really hoping we'd go all out. QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:28 AM) Garcia is gonna dominate in the NL. Gavin Floyd in the AL? I don't even have to say anything. Not when he's pitching at Philly.

QUOTE(Felix @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:23 AM) But for Mark Prior... Lingering injuries for a pitcher is completely different than the injuries Rocco had. Rocco is also a world-class athlete who will develop power as he gets older.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:20 AM) I was thinking abou that. How does Williams explain this to the media? I believe the problem here is Kenny treated this deal like one of his patented "under the radar," "low risk/high reward" moves he so often does. Problem is, in this instance he wasn't trading Joe Borchard or Aaron Miles. My personal belief, and it was the same last year after the 2005 season, is that KW/Ozzie became arrogant and stubborn. They believe Cooper can fix everyone...and while he does good with some guys, other guys show big regressions.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:02 AM) You're right. Base a pitcher's entire future on what 15 or so starts. He cannot possibly have a good career. Actually, that's based off of talking to someone who talks to minor league scouts every single day.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 04:00 AM) that would be bad. Two starting pitchers for an often injured outfielder????? If we could get Rocco for these 2 guys, you do that deal in a heartbeat. Floyd has minimal value right now, and Gio is no sure-thing.

I think we should use the freed up money to get a power hitting left fielder!!!!

QUOTE(robinventura23 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 03:57 AM) I agree this trade will not make any sense unless KW has something else up his sleeve. If not, this is pathetic that this is all he could get for one of our starters. Which further illustrates how much of a disaster the Vazquez trade was.

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 03:55 AM) you are right 17 wins sucks ass esspecially in this inflated desperate for pitching market. gimme a break fathom. Do you think any team is going to give up the farm in order to trade for him and give him a 3/40 million extension when his fastball is 88 mph? QUOTE(ptatc @ Dec 7, 2006 -> 03:55 AM) This trade still leaves the Sox with 6 starteing pitchers. It doesn't seems Floyd has anything more to prove in the minors. I think there will be more to come. On no planet should Floyd be starting in the AL.