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For David Aardsma....what an absolutely brutal trade by KW. I'm worried about this offseason, I really am.

Or maybe Don Cooper can earn his salary this year and teach our lefty relievers an offspeed pitch?

QUOTE(ptatc @ Nov 16, 2006 -> 03:45 AM) Possibly. I still don't trust guys who K that much in the minors to translate that succees to the majors. It's possible but I still agree with the trade that added starting pitching and the flexibility to trade one of those this year. Well, then we might as well get rid of Fields ASAP.

Big Frank about to sign with Toronto, according to ESPN.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Nov 15, 2006 -> 10:43 PM) If you are the GM you have to do what you think is the best for the team. You can't consider "what could look like the worst rade in franchise history" If you follow theat theory of only looking and worrying about how things are perceived in the past you will never be successful at anything. This doesn't mean it's not the worst trade, it just means who can't worry about it. If KW did that he would never make another move after trading for Todd Ritchie!!! Or it means that if you trade one of your best hitting prospects in decades (Young) due to having faith in another player (Anderson), you better not give up on him after one year just because your manager is an arrogant idiot.

QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ Nov 15, 2006 -> 09:34 PM) Isn't that a crappy package for the sox considering Crede's ability and Broadway? I sure as hell would expect more/ different guys for the guys were giving up. That would be an absolutely horrendous trade. If KW did that trade, he should be fired instantly. I wouldn't even trade Broadway straight up for Chone.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Nov 15, 2006 -> 07:29 PM) The Ichiro bid really backfired for Seattle. HUGE difference between Japanese hitter and pitcher though. Japanese pitchers are notorious for the incredible amount of pitches they throw early in their career, and many of them lose their velocity sooner rather than later (compared to pitchers from USA/Dominican, etc.).

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Nov 15, 2006 -> 07:07 PM) No doubt in my mind. Milledge is getting traded this off-season. And I think it will be to the White Sox. The question I have is if he can be our starting CF or LF next year?

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 15, 2006 -> 03:42 PM) I fully agree. If we are going to make a move in CF, it better be a big upgrade. Anderson sucked last year, everyone knows that. However, I have a hard time believing he isn't going to improve next season(we did see flashes in the 2nd half, and realistically, it's hard to get any worse than last year) and if the #8 hitter, along with the lead-off hitter step up next year, Anderson wont be too big of an issue, at least for me. Trading Anderson, or looking for an every day CF for 2007 should not be that high on Williams list this off-season, and I dont think it is. I agree with everything you said here...except that finding a CF isn't high on his list. At this point, I'll be stunned if Anderson is our starting CF going into next season. I still think we should be looking at trying to pull off a major trade with Tampa for Crawford or for Rocco, especially with the crazy salaries so far.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 15, 2006 -> 03:33 PM) And if we were to trade Garcia for a nice package, the Vaz deal looks like a pretty good one. Anderson isn't going to get moved. It doesn't make any sense to begin with, let alone with Williams. Kenny isn't dumb enough to trade Anderson when his trade value is at an all time low. But aren't we going to have to spend a lot of money to find a new CF now? I don't blame KW for wanting to trade Anderson, as he just sucked last year. However, it would be better off if he's included in a blockbuster trade instead of just for one average to mediocre prospect.

If we turn around and trade Anderson for an average prospect, that makes the Vazquez for Young trade turn from horrible to one of the worst in the franchise's history.

QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Nov 14, 2006 -> 09:01 PM) ESPN reports he has agreed to 3 year deal with the Cubs. The reports says 3 years for 13 million. At least they are busy-but this guy had 1 good year and they give that kind of $ away. That's less money than I thought he would get. I have a feeling that the Cubs are going to be the most active participant in free agency this offseason, for better of for worse.

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Nov 14, 2006 -> 08:43 PM) I like the Mets trade idea. Deal Javy, keep the rest and add BMac. Kenny's right, they couldn't have played much worse and still won 90 games. A few tweaks here and there and we're set to make another run, IMO. I disagree about the couldn't have played worse part. We had an amazing year from Jermaine Dye, had about as good of health as a team can have for an entire season, and the American League is getting stronger with each passing day. If we stick with the team we had last year, we're just as likely to finish 4th in the division as we are first.

Trading one of our starting pitchers for prospects would be a major mistake if we don't have another move in mind. The American League is getting stronger by the second, and we need to start adding and not subtracting major league talent.

This is a fantastic deal for the Yankees, as they could have just let Sheffield go and get nothing in return. Sanchez and Hughes are two of the better pitching prospects in the minors.

Tigers like them former steroid users, don't they?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 11:05 PM) If we offer him arbitration and he accepts, are people then interested in keeping him for roughly the same salary? No!!!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 7, 2006 -> 10:32 PM) I think everyone who is a fan of the whitesox would have preferred to win the WS last year over being "competitive" for the next few years. Young would have spent the season in AAA which really isnt much of a value to a team that is a favorite to win it all. Vaz was easily our 2nd best pitcher all of this year, so im not sure that Haeger could have given us that much of an effort. Vaz only had 2 months with an ERA over 4.00, which is pretty damn good. I think he figured out alot about how to pitch in this league this year, and I expect a pretty decent year out of him this upcoming season. Hindsight is great and all, but the most valuable piece to the 2006 whitesox team was Vaz, much more than a player who would have spent the whole year in AAA. Vazquez was a bad pitcher last year. Even his stats are misleading, as he always found a way to ruin any momentum this team had. Just because some of our pitchers sucked, it doesn't mean he was "our 2nd best starter". It's too bad we didn't keep Young, and let him play in CF after Anderson's brutal first 75-100 at-bats.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 6, 2006 -> 04:41 AM) As in KW would take Garcia for Young, or that Daniels would not take Garcia for Young, or both? Just curious, of course If the Rangers would take Garcia for Young, I'm 100 pct confident that KW would drive Garcia down to Arlington.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 6, 2006 -> 03:26 AM) Getting a gold glove defensive SS and a #3 starting pitcher for a mediocre defensive SS who's a good hitter on a team packed with good hitters...something isn't clicking there as far as I'm concerned. Daniels would take Garcia for Young, and that I'm entirely sure of. I don't think KW would - not because Young wouldn't be a great addition to the Sox, but because the Sox have much bigger needs than SS or 2B. The nicest way I can put it is that I severely disagree with this post.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Nov 4, 2006 -> 12:23 AM) I wouldn't mind him in LF. BTW does the Sox current LF have any trade value whatsoever? I would think he could fetch a B or C prospect at best. To the Padres to replace Dave Roberts? Maybe we could get Jon Adkins back for him.

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 3, 2006 -> 10:04 PM) I saw him in the minors and the majors this year, and he looked bad. I know that the artist formerly known as JimH was hoping we'd sign this guy during the course of the 2006 season. It's pretty shameful that we'll give him a 40 man spot, but not Heath Phillips (unless I haven't heard the latest news). I quickly wanted to add that his stats got a lot better after I saw him play. I do remember him facing Cotts this year at the big league level, and he K'd weakly on 3 pitches.

The writing is on the wall....Juan Pierre will be our starting CF next year.

I saw him in the minors and the majors this year, and he looked bad. I know that the artist formerly known as JimH was hoping we'd sign this guy during the course of the 2006 season. It's pretty shameful that we'll give him a 40 man spot, but not Heath Phillips (unless I haven't heard the latest news).

QUOTE(SoxFan76 @ Nov 3, 2006 -> 05:18 PM) They sure are quick to give Anderson the 'ol heave-ho. Like many have said already, there must be something we don't know. The man hit very well in the 2nd half, and the only reason his average was so low was because of his dreadful first half. As for the low power numbers, it was his first full season! Give me a break. The White Sox are usually good about sticking with young players, so there HAS to be something else to this story. Very well? We can say he improved over his dreadful first half, but he was far too inconsistent with the bat, and really wasn't a factor on offense the entire year.