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QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:27 PM) Oh. My. God. You really do find the dark cloud in every blue sky don't you? Is there some magical number of "top prospects" that must be in the system in order for you to be happy? Trust me, I'm not one of these guys who fall in love with every prospect in the system, and then cries when they get traded. However, considering what I've heard about Owens, Sweeney, and Young, it really sucks that we gave up Young. And you might want to read most of the posts I've had in the last two days, as I've not been overly critical about these deals at all.

I just read this thread, and I can't believe people would actually be upset if this happened. Blalock is better than Crede, and Wilkerson would be an upgrade in CF. It's that simple...we can afford to give up Garland right now. Also, Crede will make more money once he becomes a FA than the deal Blalock is on right now.

QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:24 PM) The question still stands, has he not proven himself? I would say he has, but then again World Series titles tend to do that to me. I may not be thinking clearly. We all love KW for what he brought to this team last season. However, this doesn't mean he's not free of criticism for moves that people might not possibly like. As you keep saying, who the hell cares what we say on a message board. This is all for discussion anyways.

QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:23 PM) Can someone tell me where these gigantic glasses of "Expect The Worst" are being dispensed so I can avoid the area please. Top talent? Rowand, El Duque, Vizcaino, and prospects?? We gave up our top hitting prospect and our top pitching prospect for two players who are definite question marks. If we don't acquire another team's top prospect for Jon Garland, then I think that's a bad trade by Garland.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:09 PM) Duck and cover, bra. Know what, Bajenaru might actually get his shot now. Unless some dynamo righty is being brought in, I see no reason as to why Bajenaru can't be considered the favorite for the righty/mop-up role. Reserve your jersey now. What's the over/under on length of the homer Hafner will hit against Baj in the first series of 2006? I never did like Vizcaino, but Baj would be a significant downgrade in the pen.

First, Harris and Gload have very little trade value. Batista would cost you a lot more than you'd think, as the Blue Jays picture him as a starter this season. Julio sucks, and isn't a good clubhouse guy. Baez would also likely cost you a lot.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:15 PM) For some reason I see Garland going and 3 Jon Adkins coming back. I had the same exact thought! That's why I said earlier that it would be really disappointing if KW didn't cash in and get some top talent for Garland after all the top talent he's given up for Thome and Vazquez.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 11:03 PM) KW's approach with Konerko cost the White Sox a lot of money and obligations for at least 1 if not 2 more seasons with him. I said this yesterday: KW learned his lesson this season in regards to the PK situation. I guarantee we'll continue to be more active in trying to resign the players that we want to extend the years on the deal, and we'll be more active in trading guys who we don't think we can bring back.

I don't want Garland on the team next year if it's a sure thing he's not coming back. Those situations can get ugly, and I'm not sure how Ozzie/Garland would publically handle the situation.

I'll be stunned if the Sox go into the season with 6 starters.

Why can't we trade Garland for Brian Giles???

If you could get two prospects like Guzman and Billingsley for Garland, you've made a great trade. However, I don't think KW is too focused about stocking our farm system. He'll be looking for immediate contributors.

After paying huge prices (in terms of prospects) to get Thome and Vazquez, I'll be disappointed if KW doesn't get equal value for Garland. Garland should be a huge trade chip right now.

I'd pass on Kotsay. He has some nagging health problems.

Two things: - J. Stark loves this deal for the Sox - Baseball America loves Chris Young. They rate him leaps and bounds higher than Owens or Sweeney.

So I take it Levine didn't have any information regarding possible trades involving Garland, besides for Tejada?

Did Levine say anything about the Sox possibly trading Garland, etc.?

BTW, what else has Levine said? Just from the recap I read above, it doesn't sound like he has inside info that the Sox really are going after Tejada.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) Watching him on the field, in the celebrations, and by speaking with members of the team. If thats the best thing that you want to debate then we have no debate. Uribe is a better value to me. Tejada makes ALOT more money, we have to worrry about budget and what we give up for Tejada. Uribe makes more sense for this midmarket team. Rock...in no way am I trying to debate this with you. I saw you post something similar about Uribe the other day, and I was going to ask you then. I just wanted to know if you had heard more than I had. Thanks for the info.

BTW, has anyone stopped to think this trade doesn't make sense. All indications are that KW will ship out Garland or Contreras if he feels they won't sign an extension. Thus, it would make a lot more sense that Garland will get traded to a team.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 03:20 PM) How is that ridiculous? We are not the yankess, we have to worry about payroll. Uribe is a better value, he is young, he is cheap, he is a leader, he is the field general. I would rather have the team we have now, and Uribe than the team we would have with Tejada, bar none. Out of curiosity, where did you hear Uribe was a team leader? From everything I've heard, Timo's basically his spokesperson.

Tejada is not an overpaid masher. He's an elite player in every possible way.

Prediction: This will be one of the most active days, in terms of posts, ever on this board.

Orlando Cabrera sucks. I'd much rather have Uribe as our SS than him.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 14, 2005 -> 02:40 PM) Well, I love Tejada. Fathom, Miguel Tejada is the Albert Pujols/Miguel Cabrera of his position, except he plays defense very good as well. I doubt this happens. Correction, I'm 99.9% sure this doesn't happen. Yeah, after a little more thought, I would be thrilled if Tejada came here. He's a great player, and if we keep spending money the way we are, JR would just have to sign a starting pitcher in a few years when the positions open up.