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QUOTE(WSoxMatt @ Sep 14, 2005 -> 02:02 AM) Indians win 5-2 Super

Why can't Iguchi execute now? That was a great play, but you have to avoid hitting it towards the 3rd baseman.

Hey hey...it's a triple for Pods!!

QUOTE(Tadahito15 @ Sep 14, 2005 -> 01:58 AM) I would rather have Cleveland win WC then Oakland anyways. We just need to step it up ourselves. Couldn't disagree more. We need the Indians to win every game possible right now to give us the best shot at making it.

QUOTE(WSoxMatt @ Sep 14, 2005 -> 01:53 AM) 3 run HR Broussard CLE 5 OAK 2 -Bot 8th It must be nice to be able to comeback from a 2 run deficit.

FU Witasick!

Hawk said there's another cell on the way in KC.

QUOTE(JimH @ Sep 14, 2005 -> 01:03 AM) You have your opinion on this situation, my opinion is you've gone overboard once again. Considering there were quite a few people on here who were upset with the way Guillen reacted towards leaving Chicago yesterday. We're obviously not even close to being on the same page, so the only thing I can say is that we have one thing in common...we both want the Sox to win!

2-0 A's in just a wild, wild inning.

Tarp is on the field for the Sox game. 1-0 Oakland after 4. Is it too early to bring Street in?

QUOTE(JimH @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 10:46 PM) I think what's gone awfully wrong, to use your phrase, is the common ups and downs of a long grinding baseball season. Even Cleveland, the team you've been gushing over for the last 2 weeks, had a horrible stretch this year. You listed a lot of things as just unfortunate timing for the Sox right now. I wasn't trying to say the Sox suck and deserve to be 0-162. Yes, the Indians had a bad stretch, but they're now on fire. On the other hand, the Sox had been on fire nearly all year, and then hit a terrible stretch in the last 50 days or so. Isn't it called a collapse when you struggle at the end of the season? No teams collapses to start the season. I just don't see any composure or focus by the overall organization, and mainly the players and manager. I hope Ozzie had a good time in Miami yesterday trying to forget about how bad things have been lately.

I forgot to add the whole attendance debacle of the last week, between the lack of fans showing up and the comments in the paper.

In the last 50 days or so, we've had: - a pitcher complain that the other team was cheating when they hit him hard. - a player called up from the minors b**** about his playing time all season. - a player complain that he's getting too much rest and doesn't like hitting in the spot he's hit all season. - a manager continue to make peculiar in-game managing decision on a nightly basis. - a general manager that failed to pick-up some type of offensive spark for the team. - a starting pitching staff, that besides Contreras and McCarthy, have been horribly inconsistent. - numerous 4-40, etc. slumps from our hitters. - Losing about 10 games in the divisional lead - The Marte debacle of the last week. See ya trade value - The continuing decline of Duque, and Ozzie's idiotic piggybacking idea. Besides that....GO WHITE SOX! Please make me look like an idiot, and just win games and make the playoffs.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 10:20 PM) In complete sentences, explain how this Marte thing equals a FULL organizational collapse. Don't forget to check for spelling and grammatical errors before submitting your final copy. Like I said, just another thing that has taken place which leads me to believe something has gone awfully wrong with this organization in the last few months.

Good lord, the full organizational collapse that I've been fearful of taking place has another stone thrown in its pit. Bash me if you want, but too much s*** has broken loose with this team in the last month or so.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 10:08 PM) I personally was saying for example. The good thing about our staff, which nobody usually factors into the quality of it. Is that none of our pitchers seem to be situational guys. You think guys like Mike Myers etc who are side arm or sb pitchers, and can just come in for one batter, get out a lefty, and that is all they can do. Cotts is just as effective vs righties, Jenks can pitch to both, as well as polite. We have at least three guys who can pitch is any situation, long, short, situational and closing roles. Thats why Marte being gone doesnt make me think we are weaker. I felt for along time that he was the weak link in the pen. I think we will see that I was right. Lets just see how Ozzie reacts, and how our players react. Well said. Ozzie just needs to play this as a 3 week season, and he needs to try and win every game possible with the best players on the field in the biggest spots. If we lose, I want it to be cause Cotts, Politte, Jenks, or Hermanson got beat, and not cause Ozzie was trying to see if David Sanders could get a big lefty out in the 7th, etc.

Why does everyone want Cotts to be a situational lefty? He should clearly be a one inning guy who can go anywhere from the 6th to the 8th inning. Ozzie will also use Politte in the 8th inning frequently instead of Jenks, as he probably feels like Politte deserves the set-up role.

I have a crazy idea....lets just go with our best relievers in a situation that best fits their abilities. No more using Cotts as a situational lefty. No more bringing Jenks in to face one batter. If we get to the 9th with a close lead, BRING IN HERMANSON (as long as he's healthy).

We're a better team with Marte on the roster than Marte off of the roster. It's up to Ozzie to use him effectively for the time being.

QUOTE(joeynach @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 09:37 PM) Well Cotts has probably been underused and his ERA is currently under 2. He can face more than 1 or 2 hitter per game. Also Viscaino is highly regarded is a righty who gets lefties out. So there is 2 options. Also consider throwing Jenks out there to blow everyone away. Viz has had a lot more troubles against lefties this season than he did last year. Last year, he used a very solid splitter to get lefties out. This year, he's been all slider, all the time.

Why in the world would you release him? Keep him on the team, hope he gets his ass in gear over the next 3 weeks, and then package him in a trade for offense during the offseason. Releasing him solves absolutely nothing.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:56 PM) You can have an IQ of 2 and lead a team to the best record in the AL if your team loves you and will run through walls for you, along with catching fire at the same time. Case in point, Ozzie Guillen. Ozzie is quite possibly the worst in game manager in the majors. There's no other way around it. It was looked over early on in the year because the team had a knack for coming back in a big way...you haven't seen that nearly as much in the latter part of the season, thus resulting in a slightly above .500 record in the second half of the season, along with inconsistency, and Ozzie's moves are being magnified now because of it.

QUOTE(rangercal @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:36 PM) OK, Who voted Duke? Holy cow, Ozzie Guillen posts on Soxtalk!!! Quick, someone set up a poll asking who should leadoff in game 1 of the playoffs, and put Timo as an option. He'll fall right into that trap.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:20 PM) BMAC is going to start on sat. IM expecting an announcement later this week about El Duque going on the DL Why would they put him on the DL? No reason to at this point of the season.

QUOTE(longshot7 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 07:56 PM) Again, who cares? If someone wants to put something into their own body, it's fine by me. Considering that there's been a noticeable drop-off in production by many of the baseball players that have been rumored to be on steroids in the past, it creates a situation where a lot of teams are extremely overpaying certain players based on steroid-enhanced numbers. Thus, you have teams that are struggling because they're not the same players that they used to be when they received their big money deal. Let me guess, you're the type of fan who doesn't care if your favorite college team pays their athletes, since everyone else is doing it?