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QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 03:08 AM) Look at the timeline. The decline in offense corresponds with Podsednik's injury. For anyone who says it started a few games before he went on the DL, wasn't his DL stint retroactive? The offense was fading fast well before Pods went on the DL. Also, don't get your hopes up for a speed player coming back strong after a groin injury.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 03:06 AM) Looks like an SOS to Rafael Furcal in the off-season, unless a better solution via a trade can be found for 3rd base. I'm also of the opinion Everett needs to pick it up, even though August has been the 2nd best month this season for him. Furcal's a Cubs player if the Braves don't resign him.

QUOTE(ChiSoxFan @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:56 AM) Futility is going in to the bottom of the 9th with a 3 run lead and watching Foulke give up 4 (f***ing Denny Hocking). Futility is an easy inning ending DP and watching Valentin throw the ball into the f***ing dugout. Futility is an 18-3 beatdown. This was just bad luck. Bad luck? J. Jones blasted a hanging curveball. Rowand had numerous meatballs to hit tonight, and he was too busy fouling them off over the dugout. Luck didn't make Stewart and Ford catch those balls. If so, then J. Dye got very lucky also. Our offense flat out blows, and our manager has no f***ing clue how to manage a team during a game. What a f***ing insult to Iguchi to get lifted for a ph.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:54 AM) I have been a whitesox fan since I can remember. I have seen some pathetic losses over my years. The only thing this would motivate me to do, is line up with all my sox bretheren at Soxfest for the Q&A session for Kenny or his successor depending if we collapse. Let me help you plan your speech: "Mr. Stone, can I ask you a question"?

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 03:00 AM) No Maggs, no Frank & yet they had a winning record in Sept in 2004. The past 5 yrs: all winning records in Sept. None of those teams could pitch like this one. Defintely IN. And in all but one of those Septembers, the games were pretty much meaningless facing other September call-ups.

QUOTE(Sox Hustler @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 03:00 AM) In If they don't have a meeting with the team now then don't have it at all. This is it, they can't keep losing anymore, if they don't change tomorrow its over. They've had numerous team meetings lately. KW owes this team a spark plug, I don't care what he has to do. I'm not saying he needs to trade the farm....rather, do SOMETHING that picks this team up. This team has absolutely no confidence at the plate.

QUOTE(the People's Champ @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:59 AM) Whats so special about Sunday? I think he's talking about Pods, who seemingly has become the greatest player ever since his injury.

I'm in, because we still have a 7 game lead. Seriously, can you imagine what it will be like if/when this lead is down to 1?

I think it's funny how Hawk tried to say this wasn't like other games we tanked vs the Twins. I think this was the prototype game that sums up the futility we've had vs the Twins in previous seasons. Great defense by the Twins, terrible execution by the Sox, and that timely homer by the Twins.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:47 AM) You really think picking up one of those guys would make this offense hit? You think we would have won this game if we had Eduardo Perez? It would be an excellent start. Perez has a .945 OPS against lefties, and would be very cheap to acquire. He'd also give you a back-up at 1b for PK. Ozuna should never, ever play 3rd base again. I appreciate Ozuna's hustle, but I've never seen a 3rd baseman look worse on defense.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:44 AM) LOL, I still hate you Fathom, but now I sort of understand. Trust me, I never wanted it to go this way. I would have liked nothing else for the lead to stay in double digits all year, and for people to continue to bash me for being a pessimist. The one thing that pissed me off more than anything was when people would use stupid stats like "if the Sox go 21-20, etc". Who in their right mind thinks it's a guarantee that a team goes .500? This Sox team isn't talented enough to take their foot off of the accelerator...and I honestly feel like that's what we did.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:45 AM) Remember Hawk always mentioning Ozzie doing something to keep these guys up down the stretch? I wonder what he was talking about. Well, if Hawk used the word stretch, he was probably wrong.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:45 AM) . This is worse than Corpseball. This is moronball. This is corpseball without talented players in the heart of the lineup. At least Carlos Lee, Maggs, and Thomas would hit a homer once in a while.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:42 AM) Name one guy the Sox could realistically have traded for and didn't that would make this team not suck on offense. Matt Lawton, Eduardo Perez, Raul Ibanez

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:40 AM) The problem is even if the Sox make the playoffs, you have to face other playoff team's top pitchers. The White Sox offense has very little chance against good pitching. They have stopped running. They have stopped advancing runners. They don't situational hit, and if you don't have a couple .300 hitters, you aren't going to score much with that approach. It was fairly obvious in the second inning tonight that Garcia would have to pitch a shutout to win. I posted it then, and I'm no genius. Making the playoffs and getting swept is better than any scenario which doesn't have the team making the playoffs.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:38 AM) I am seriously worried about getting to the post-season right now, with the Indians schedule and our s***ty play, 7 more games in 5 weeks not impossible I said it in chat the other day, and I'll say it in here: The Sox won't make the playoffs. Now, before anyone says "well, if you know what's going to happen, why do you watch?" Well, just cause I say that's what I think will happen, it doesn't mean that's what I'm cheering for. I don't think our current offense has the ability to finish strong this season. The Indians and Twins have a ton of momentum. And if anyone thinks we can beat the Indians 1-0 like we were earlier in the year, that's not happening with their hitters swinging the way they are now.

QUOTE(Y2HH @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:37 AM) I'm absolutly ashamed to the point that I actually wished I wasn't a White Sox fan tonight. I'm sick. I'm finished. If this team doesn't make the playoffs, it's over...I will never cheer this team again. If this team doesn't win this division, they just lost a fan. And yes, I realize you kool aid drinking Sox smarks will disagree with me, but I no longer care...I can't take it anymore. This is the worst display in the history of sports. A 1 hitter loss. f*** these overpaid b****es. The only way I take any of this back is if we actually win this division...which I no longer see happening. Hey buddy, don't let the door hit you on the way out. I don't care if Sox lose the rest of their games this season....I'll still always root for them.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:36 AM) i want Ozzie to blow up tonight literally?

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:32 AM) We are now what...7.5 games up? How long did it take us to lose those 7 games to bring us from 14.5 to this? How many weeks are left in the season? Hmmm, why was I hating to see our fans getting all "puffy chested"? So, we can't root for the A's to lose or be worried about another team catching us for best record? I'm still happy we rested Pods so he can be healthy for the postseason.

QUOTE(SpringfieldFan @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:28 AM) If I were a CLE fan, I honestly think I would like the greenness of my grass right now. Indians control their own destiny just as much as we do now. I've never seen an offense as confident they can come back in a game as much as the Indians now. Also, the Indians are now getting all the lucky breaks that we did earlier in the year.

QUOTE(S720 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:26 AM) Fathom, I don't get it? Why KW should be fired? Who is he going to trade for now? The players only have themselves to blame if this team actually collapse. You whine too much man. Excuse me, but I've been saying for over a month now that KW, Ozzie, and the rest of the Sox organization tried to just coast into the playoffs. KW and Ozzie were too busy worrying about the team chemistry instead of trying to find integral parts that could help the team. Instead of actually having a good 4th outfielder, Ozzie would rather have Timo on the bench. I know a lot of people dislike me on this board, but I think all of them will state that I've been saying we weren't as good as our record all season. I'm a Sox fan, but I'm also a baseball fan....and this offense just has way too many easy outs.

QUOTE(maggsmaggs @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:20 AM) We aren't going to make the f***ing playoffs, look how easy the Indians schedule is, they are coming If we continue to play like s*** vs Twins and Indians, we'll be finishing in 3rd place in the division. This offense has absolutely no confidence at the plate. I'm so thrilled we can count on our great manager to provide expert strategy to produce runs for the Sox when we can't score.

QUOTE(CWSOX45 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:19 AM) ive f***in had it with this offense. this is f***ing pathetic. Time to can Walker, I'm sorry, but we need a guy with fresh ideas in there, these guys are NOT this bad. CWSOX45 If we keep this offense the rest of the way, KW should be fired, and not Walker. This offense just doesn't have enough, especially against tough pitchers you'd face IF you make the playoffs.

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Aug 24, 2005 -> 02:18 AM) Game Over the great collapse of 05 has begun. We were one lucky inning Sunday away from a nine game losing streak. The collapse began about 3 weeks ago, and the Cuddyer homer off of Hermanson and the game tonight just supported that our ship is sinking.

Rowand f***ing blows. He looked like a f***ing little league player tonight. Hey Hawk "where would he play"?