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QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 5, 2006 -> 03:29 PM) Just wondering, who is everyone voting for in the NL? Nomah

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QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 5, 2006 -> 03:00 PM) If you think for one second that fans of other teams would vote for the more deserving player if the situations were reversed, you're dead wrong. Since when is the ASG about the most deserving player anyway? From what I remember it's always been about the coaches of the teams whoring off thier own players and the every player from the Yankees and Red Sox starting the game. Johan Santana, Kenny Rogers, Jose Contreras, Mark Buehrle, Scott Kazmir, Barry Zito, Roy Halladay, Bobby Jenks, Jonathan Papelbon, Mariano Rivera, BJ Ryan. Now when exactly is Francisco Liriano going to pitch? If you put yourself in Ozzie's shoes for one second and just think the way he does, how can anyone say that Liriano will even make an appearance in the game. Liriano is 22 and great, he has his the whole rest of his 16 year hall of fame career to pitch in All-Star Games, this is probably the one oppertunity the Sox fan have to give mad props to AJ for being a major factor in bringing the organization a title last year.

God damn, it makes no sense for any Sox fan to vote for Liriano, the guy will not even pitch in the game if he makes it, so the whole "he'll help us win the game" angle is not going to work here. It doesn't help AJ if he's splitty votes from Sox fans. If you don't want to vote for AJ then don't vote at all seriously.

QUOTE(Brian @ Jul 5, 2006 -> 01:54 PM) We as Sox/AL fans can't really go wrong if it is Liriano or AJ. If it AJ, we show MLB that the White Sox following is loud. On the other hand, Liriano is lights out and we get homefield in the WS! =) I can almost gaurantee that Liriano will not pitch if selected. I'm glad to see that it's atleast close going into the home stretch, I'm going to step up operations and attempt to give AJ a large push over the course of the day today.

QUOTE(T R U @ Jul 5, 2006 -> 01:15 AM) I guess ill be the first of the 5 votes to come out and say I dont respect them and still see them fading away, im in the minority on this one Probably because it'll be nearly impossible for that to happen. They'll have to play absolutely horrid ball from here on out.

QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ Jul 4, 2006 -> 07:27 PM) thank you oakland. now complete the sweep tomorrow. Rodney is one of Detroit's weak links. Todd Jones is another. But I've quit waiting for Verlander to hit the wall. he's the real deal. You can be the real deal and still hit a wall. The sudden increase in innings pitched can kill a young pitcher's arm, just ask Mark Prior. Verlander is most definately on pace for a dead arm period or atleast a lapse in production due to the huge increase in innings from last year to this year.

QUOTE(Fotop @ Jul 4, 2006 -> 05:04 PM) Dont know if this has been mentioned/actually works, but I've been hitting vote with just a 1 in the vaildation box (apparently you just need anything there) and it's taking me to the same thank you for voting screen. Then I hit alt + I wonder if this is actually working? It looks like it, since I'm taken to the same screen in the end as I normally would be. Just thought I'd let you guys know this, just in case it is real and we can increase voting volume 100 fold. Those votes are not going to be counted, it takes you to the same screen but without a proper validation code the vote is thrown out.

Andruw Jones just turned 29 meaning he's a year younger than Konerko and a year older than Crede, I really wouldn't call his age a huge negative in this one. As for the "not trying" bulls***, the guy has had random times throughout his career (mainly when he was around 20) when he would maybe not go all out for a ball hit in front of him, there are a ton of players in the league who do this, just about all of them do it, most of them do it far more often than Andruw. But since Jones has spent his entire career with Bobby Cox riding his ass and calling him out everytime he does something stupid he's been labeled as "lazy" and such. It's a joke. The major problem I see is from the financial aspect, I'm starting to think that the price for Jones is going to be incredibly low for a player of his stature simply because of how desperately it seems the Braves want rid of his contract. This makes him incredibly desirable right now. At the same time though he's set to make $13M this year and $13.5M next year after than he's a free agent. His agent, Satan, will surely have him testing the waters after '07 and I'm not sure that's something the Sox would want to get themselves into.

Just for the record, the Braves will not be eating a penny of Andruw's contract.

QUOTE(Dam8610 @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 05:28 PM) Have they released any standings yet? No but we should get one tomorrow.

QUOTE(stretchstretch @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 03:07 PM) anyway to view who's leading? MLB releases periodic results throughout the week but other than that there's not way to check on the current standings.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 03:04 PM) The 'pen is more of a worry. Buehrle, Count, and Garcia are solid, veteran talent that've gotten it done down the stretch before. Vazquez and Garland have been good back-of-the-rotation-caliber guys (if not more) throughout their careers. We also have B-Mac as an emergency backup. On the other hand, the only relievers that I'm comfortable with are Jenks and B-Mac. Politte's career numbers are mediocre and he's rumored to be injured (and is pitching like it), Hermanson may never pitch again, Thornton is still a huge question mark (despite solid pitching recently), and Montero will be iffy if he's forced to come up again. The other options in the minors (Logan, Tracey, Haeger) aren't ready to pitch in the majors yet. You mentioned a guy who shouldn't even be brought up this season in Hermanson, the 6th guy out of the pen in Clifford and the biggest question mark in Thornton. What about Cotts? He has playoff experience and has been pretty damn solid this season. How about Riske? The guy has a ton of previous success on good teams and has pitched well for the Sox thus far. Right now the Sox have 4 guys in the pen who can be counted on at all times (Jenks, BMac, Cotts, Riske) with Thornton knocking on the door. I don't see it as being a huge concern right now.

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 09:52 AM) Jon Garland and Vazquez have been below average. As has Garcia for just about the whole season, Contreras in June and Buehrle on and off througout the season.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 12:59 PM) Perhaps I should keep my Uribe avatar for a while longer. He seems to have caught fire since I added it. Well technically it's Juan Sanz-Uribe.

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QUOTE(SouthSide2004 @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 12:41 PM) Well, if this watered-down discussion is so annoying then why don't you try to ignore it and not be such an asshole. Try going outside where running your mouth like that is going to lead to some serious consequences. It's not healthy for a 19 year old boy to be spending all his free time on the internet anyways. Man, I wish my mod powers stretched into Trade Winds. Seems like I'm the recipient of an awful lot of animosity these days, can't say I don't like it. I really do wish I could be outside right now but I doubt my bosses will appreciate that.

Bobby had his flashes in the minors as well, even though he did underperform for much of his minor league career, after being promoted from rookie ball to AA in '03 he dominated at Arkansas going 7-2 with a 2.17 ERA over 16 starts. He completely fell off in '04 which lead to him being placed on waivers by the Angels. Last year at Birmingham he was back to his dominant ways but this time, as a reliever. 35 appearances, 19 saves, 2.85 ERA and 48 Ks. I wouldn't exactly call that mediocre, I'd say underperforming is a much better description.

Ugh, it seriously sucks that he needs to be discussed in so many threads, this same waterdowned discussion is just annoying to me. I really don't think it's hard to see the improvement at the plate from him even if it's not translated to much improved numbers. People were asking for good ABs and he's giving them right now. I was never a fan of Anderson as a prospect and I'm still not as high on his future in baseball as some are but I do see improvement from him as have many many others including Ozzie and KW yet the same arguments about him are comming up. It's tiresome. QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 11:42 AM) Personally I'd like to have Jones reather than BA for the 13 games we have left w/Detroit Yes, that is quite the limb you've gone out on there.

QUOTE(pcullotta @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 11:34 AM) I'm sorry man but we are talking about replacing Brian Anderson with Andruw Jones. Obviously Brian is going to have to be brought up. Then why did you feel the need to throw this into 2 of your posts?

QUOTE(pcullotta @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 11:24 AM) First off, I don't know why you have to come off like such an asshole. I have been nothing but extremely polite in this thread and your post is an example of why I don't normally post. Moving along, in his last seven games, BA is hitting .154 with 0 HR, 0 RBI and an OPS of .522. Furthermore, here is a comparison from May 26th. Juan Uribe was batting .193 then and BA was batting .163. Since then, Uribe's AVG has gone up 45 points while BA's has gone up 13 points. I know BA isn't gonna hit .270. However, I need to see more then 13 points improvement. I like BA. If you read my other comments you would see that. I was just pointing out that his recently improved offense has been taken way out of context. In the horrible movie Little Big League, a bad hitter gets one of his rare hits and the manager gets excited. His Asst. Coach says "kid , don' t you think something's wrong when you get this excited over a seeing eye single." It seems like every time BA gets a hit, everyone thinks he's turned the corner. I hope he does but I haven't seen it yet. .250 BA | .425 SLG% | 1 HR | 6 RBI | 7 R | 5 2B | over last 12 If you look at him at the plate he's looked much improved since he beginning of the season blah blah blah I'm done with all the BA s***, if you're watching the games you don't need to be told that's he's looked better, he's showing more patience, confidence and is driving the ball even if the balls aren't falling in. He was hitting the s*** out of the ball then hits a 5 game suspension which didn't help matter either. I come off like an asshole because it's growing tiresome making the same argument. Keep this thread to Andruw Jones, you say you don't want to make it into another Brian Anderson bashing thread? Then don't, quit talking about him and stick to Jones.

He's said this before, BA has been amazing defensively and has been much better at the plate of late. Ozzie and Sox fans said they'd be satisfied if BA could just put up some good ABs and a hit for a decent average for the rest of the season and guess what? He's doing that, he's looked pretty damn good at the plate over the past month and he's been solid since June 10th .250 BA | .425 SLG% | 1 HR | 6 RBI | 7 R | 5 2B | over last 12 His numbers at the end of the season are still going to look like s*** but that's just how it works when you dig a hole as deep as he has. Sometimes you just have to head these things off.

QUOTE(pcullotta @ Jul 3, 2006 -> 09:00 AM) And when do you anticipate that will be? I don't want this to turn into a BA bashing thread because I like Brian, but how can you just assume his offense will come around? His overall number will not look good at the end of the year, that's just the way it is, he's dug too deep a hole. Do yourself a favor and see what he's done it his past 12 games instead of being so incredibly dense.

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