southsideirish71

QUOTE(fathom @ May 10, 2005 -> 09:26 PM) I don't think we were flat tonight. A lot of guys were making solid contact, and we just missed hitting out like 4 homers. We scored 6 runs against Tampa....that should be enough. Ozzie and the pitching staff are the culprits tonight. We hit a lot of warning track shots over the last three years. Line drives win games. This is not a power hitting team anymore. Stop trying to jack homers.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 10, 2005 -> 09:17 PM) It's obvious it needs to be Hermanson as the closer for now. He has the guts for it and he knows how to get guys out. By the same token, he will f*** up now and again too. Plain and simple. If White Sox pitching doesn't walk 9 guys tonite, this conversation is on the back burner. The offense is sucking ass too ... how come no one is clamoring about Greg Walker? I have been b****ing about Greg for almost a year. He tinkers with people who are doing well. Last year Carlos Lee lifted his BA from 220 to over 300 with a nice short compact swing. He was hitting doubles like crazy driving in runs. Then the goofy press got all over him complaining why he doesnt hit a lot of homers, where is the power. Soon after his BA hits 300 he and Walker tinker with the swing. He proclaims success as he extends his hands for power. The power numbers jump. But now his strikeouts and his pop outs jump up. We get all over his case for swinging for the fences. Well that is what Walker changed. Its not entirely CLEE's fault. Now Konerko has his hands up nice and high. This is not the same swing that he had last year. Dye who has been a great high ball hitter is now dipping his back shoulder. Its got to be walker. Everyone who comes to the sox gets a long looping swing.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ May 10, 2005 -> 01:24 PM) Stick with Dye until the all star break at least, if he is still sucking as much as he is now figure something out. Either have Everett play RF or call up Anderson if he is stilling hitting what is it .330 in AAA. So lets stick with him hitting 200 and playing his terrible defense. This is not a single factor decision. If he was hitting like crap but throwing leather in RF its one thing. But he is dropping fly balls, throwing the ball all over, he cant get to the ball, when he does he doesnt bend over to pick it up. This was a guy that was supposed to be hitting at least some. I mean I hate to say it, but Borchard can hit what Dye is and also Borchard is fast and can catch a ball. We took a gamble. Walker needs to earn his keep and figure out whatever is broke with Konerko and Dye. We cant go through the allstar break with 2 of our main power guys hitting 200 and not being able to drive in the guys who are on the bases. Last year we hit solo homers. Now we have guys on base and no one is driving them in.

QUOTE(3E8 @ May 10, 2005 -> 09:01 PM) I thought Konerko had things turned around the other day when he hit two home runs, but he just fooled me. It's getting to the point where I want Widger to start at first base. He lowered his hands for that one game. But when you spend a spring training and about 200 ABs and all these Batting practices changing ones swing you cant undo it overnight. Crede has hit at every level. It took close to three years to get him back on track.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ May 10, 2005 -> 08:57 PM) Agreed. Last time Shingo pitched on 5 or more days rest was against the Tigers. He gave up a run. Than aganist the Royals he got 2 saves while working 3 days between outings. Next time was today when he pitched on 5 days or more. He needs to get more work. This outing looked exactly like that Detroit outing. Do you really think we should pitch him more. Hey maybe in the next series. Shingo vs. Raffy Palmero Shingo vs. Miguel Tejada Shingo vs. Brian Roberts I think we all know what will happen if Shingo faces them. The minute they hear the gong, they will be fighting to get to the bat rack.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 10, 2005 -> 08:47 PM) No, are 3-4-5 hitters have cost us 1/3, if not more of these games. I am getting sick of seeing Konerko, Rowand, and Dye look like s*** at the dish. "There going to get hot" is getting old, quick. Its kind of ironic that Konerko has a long looping swing where his hands are up around his head. And now Dye who was a great fastball hitter last year, has a nice long looping swing where his hands are high up. They kind of remind me of Crede and Borchard last year both with long looping swings. This pull baseball crap is getting old. Line drive swings are fine. Line drive swings dont slump as much. I find it ironic that Konerko changed his swing for more power in his contract year. Too bad Ross Gload is hurt or we could start benching these guys. Bring up Anderson to play RF and bench Dye. Bring up McCarthy and pull Contreras into the bullpen so he can walk people in mop up games. Release Shingo. We dont need to stick with another Koch/Jackson because he will get it. We pitched Jackson last year into August.

Its nice to see that totally medicore pitching can make our offense look terrible. Dead is handing the defense steller again I can see. I wonder if he still has the mask, because every week he gets paid, he is robbing the sox blind.

RAYS NEED TO s*** AND GET BEATEN FOR THE WIN THEY HAD LAST NIGHT. HOW DARE THEY BEAT THE BEST TEAM IN BASEBALL. ITS TIME TO GO MEDEIVAL ON THESES b****ES. HOWS THAT NUKE

Keys to the loss today. The inability of our pitches to close out 0-2 counts. Instead of using a waste pitch they throw pitches that were easily put into play. Sometimes hit hard because they were too much over the plate. The inability of our hitters to execute in situational hitting. 2nd and 3rd with one out and we have hitters taking pitches down the cock with their bats on their shoulders. Also in another inning, 3-2 and the same thing. If the pitch is close in that situation put it in play. This is a team we should beat, I understand we played flat. Go get them tomorrow. Hopefully Jose comes out with his sick stuff.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ May 9, 2005 -> 07:40 PM) WE ARE SO f***ING BAD!!!!! WE LOSE, GAME OVER, IT OVER MAN. ZULULULU THE TWINS WILL NOW TAKE OUR DIVISION. WE ARE PLAYING SO GOD DAMN AWFUL. Ahhh, I love Soxtalk. Oh yeah we have such a lead on the twinks they will never reach us. We can lose to teams like the rays, while the twins lose to a good team.

9 in a row by Lance carter. When we lose to garbage like this, is why no one takes the Sox seriously. We should be killing a team like this. We have for years have had a problem beating crap teams. Detroit loses a record amount of times and we attribute to like 30 percent of their win total. Remember guys this doesnt get easier when we play the Orioles over the weekend. We need to beat crap.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 9, 2005 -> 07:32 PM) Bad f***in luck cause we've hit a lot of balls hard at people. By the way Nomo was good tonight even though his numbers coming into this game sucked. He was popping his fastball better and his forkball was diving like it used to. 2 out walk. 86-88 mph is not exactly popping the mitt. His splitter that he was getting called for a strike was a hanger. This was not vintage Nomo. The sox hitters didnt have a good gameplan. They were looking for something to drive instead of doing the little things with men on. That is the only reason we watched our hitters take strike 3 2 times with men on second and third.

Cliff looks in terror again. Pitch like you have the last few weeks.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2004 @ May 9, 2005 -> 07:29 PM) You can't get on Cotts for that. He made a good pitch. You can't do anything about those high choppers. 0-2 the pitch should of been up to get him to chase it. On 0-2 there is no reason a guy should be able to get wood on it.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 9, 2005 -> 07:29 PM) Daniel Cabrera had a 3-hitter with 11 K's through 8 innings against the Twinkies. Cabrera owned us the first time he faced us last year when he was brought up from AA. Now we get to face him and Garcia is on the other end. If he pitches like this on Saturday it will be a long night for the sox. He needs to start to throw like a number 2.

Our pitchers tonight "collectively" having pitched a smart game. 0-2 and we toss something close enough to get wood on it. You get ahead and then instead of using a waste pitch, give them something to put into play.

Garcia looks uninspired this game. His facial expressions, almost like he would rather be somewheres else. I know its the Devil Rays, but we pay you a good clip. Pitch every game.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 9, 2005 -> 07:17 PM) The pitch to Singleton was bad, he beat him on an inside pitch for the other RBI, why go in there again. Same pitch, same bad result. Garcia is working his ass off but he does not have the good fastball, nor is he working the fastball up in the zone. He is certainly not the only one off their game tonite though. They are close, need to stick with it, six more outs to get it done. That first hit that Singleton had was just bad. Garcia gets the guy 0-2 and then throws a slow curve inside to a lefty. You have a waste pitch, either bust him in high and tight or toss it high and away.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ May 9, 2005 -> 07:15 PM) I worry about the D-Rays pen. THey are a lot like Detorit in that they have bad numbers but live arms. Hopefully we get something going I worry about our offense sleepwalking more than anything. No matter what our record is we need to beat teams like this.

Sleepwalking.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ May 9, 2005 -> 07:11 PM) yeah, he also drops routine flyballs late in games in Oakland.... I think we have the answer to what happens when Frank comes back. Everett to RF.

They need to take the bats off their shoulders. Watching fastballs down the cock, and watching them because they are not middle in to turn on is embarassing. If they throw you away then hit it away. If they pitch you in, pull the damn ball.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ May 9, 2005 -> 07:03 PM) f*** We should be up big in this game. Missed opportunities are killing us.

The what if game. These guys are funny. Tigers

QUOTE(sox-r-us @ May 9, 2005 -> 10:58 AM) So do Sox fans cheer Sosa for now not being on the Cubs or do we boooo him for still being what he is (and an ex Cub)? How about we boo him for being an Oriole and someone who is on the other team. We cheer for our team and boo the crap out of everyone else.