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Th Sox management talks out of both sides of their mouth as far as wanting to field a contender and having the money to spend

QUOTE(Hatchetman @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 10:55 PM) I'm scarred for life from watching people like Steve Lyons, Carlos Martinez, and Kenny Williams try to play 3B. I'm not in favor of giving one away for nothing. I remember those days also. Ughhh

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 10:49 PM) 1 - Where would Fields play if we keep Joe? Platoon at LF with Quentin? 2 - Richar showed good plate discipline this year, he's young with potential to grow, and most importantly, he's cheap. He should be starting in 2008. It sure looked like they had plans to trade Fields and/or Crede, but now at least one will stay. I would have liked Crede at 3B and Fields in LF. Yoy hear a lot of good things about Richar, but then the Sox are reported to be looking for a 2B man like Burke. Don't know what's up there.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 04:53 PM) "You try to do things that make sense and you can afford," Williams said. "I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you." Anyone else tired of this, these are the same comments he made since day 1, he said if people showed up he could do more. Attendance has been awesome last 2 years and ticket prices have raised both years but yet no big free agent signing or big trade deadline deal it is the same old BS from KW. KW says every year we have extra payroll to get the difference maker at trade deadline but never has, on free agents the same old we tried we really did. White Sox recieved 25 million in 2007 for MLB licensing products alone this does not count any other revenue such as TV/Radio or ticket sales or revenue sharing so do not give me and other diehard fans we have no revenue BS. I love the Sox but the excuses year after year about revenue is really old. I am tired of it. I posted this same type of reply to something on the board. We hear it every year. We will spend the money to build a winner, but we only see the opposite.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 10:26 PM) Is Crede dropping his agent, or do you forget that his agent is Boras. Find a new favorite player he is a moving on. That is another big lie from the Sox management. They say Boras is not an issue, but we never keep our players represented by him or trade for those he reps. I will not change my stance that a move to trade Crede is not a good one for this team, but of course that doesn't mean a thing as I am not KW. As a fan I can tell you that I am not happy with these types of decisions though.

Don't trade Crede. Plus with all the talk about the Sox looking at 2B upgrade-apparently Richar isn't as good as we were told?- Iguchi is not a bad option for the Sox

Excerpted from Chicago trubune Article of 120507 The trade illustrated the lack of depth in the Sox's farm system available to make a competitive deal and further heightened the anxiety raised by failed attempts to land marquee talent to improve a 90-loss team. The Cabrera trade could accelerate talks involving Sox attempts to deal third baseman Joe Crede and perhaps take another shot at free-agent center fielder Aaron Rowand. Williams, however, remained reluctant to give a five-year contract to Rowand, who is entertaining an offer from Kansas City. "You try to do things that make sense and you can afford," Williams said. "I can't give you a dollar if I don't have 50 cents. Decisions are made awfully easy for you." My biggest fear here is an attitude of "we have to do something even if it's bad for the team." But, I think it will happen. I asked this question before about "are the Sox to cheap?" based on a Mariotti story. I seems to be turning into reality. We can't compete farm club to farm club anymore and this rhetoric from ownership about how they are willing to pay the money to get the talent dpesn't seem to hold water. We won't bargain with Boras, even though the rhteroic is that the agent doesn't matter, and that means Crede is gone. Our team will be the basement dweller in the AL Central next year and beyond. But, ownership showed those guys.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 03:15 AM) What would you have done to get Miggy Cabrera instead? Would you give up DLS, Gio, Fields, Danks and Floyd for him? Maybe our system just doesn't have the horses to trade a lot of prospects. Willis is an intriguing pitcher, but has been slipping the last couple years. He will be a 4th or 5th staretr for Detroit, but Cabrera will be awesome. The Marlins get a lot of young, but unproven talent. I guess we just couldn't muster enough, or maybe didn't want to give up as much.

QUOTE(iamshack @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 04:02 PM) Absolutely agree. They should try and move Konerko to the Angels for the best position player prospect they could get. Would LAA do Kendrick/Santana/Sean Rodriguez for Konerko? Shift Fields to 1b, play Crede at 3b, Quentin/Owens at LF/RF, Dye at LF/RF. Sign Fukudome. Deal Uribe for anything just to get rid of his salary. Play Kendrick at 2b, Cabrera at ss. Hope Rodriguez can step into ss in 09'. To me, this is by far the best thing uou can do to try and compete asap. Probably not in 08'. But in 09', 10', possibly. I think this move of Konerko and putting Fields at 1B make more sense then some of the stuff we have been hearing. I like PK a lot, but I think losing Crede and putting Fields at 3B is areal downgrade defensively.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 02:58 AM) Didn't see this anywhere else; Prospects I'm guessing? If we want their prospects for a gold glove 3B with a great bat then we must be rebuilding. I am not real pleased with what has transpired this off season with the Sox. We hear a lot about all these so called plans that management has and they keep changing every time we lose out on impact players. Now we stand to lose Crede for prospects (the return obviously being just a guess)?

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 03:42 PM) If the money were the same -- which I think it could be -- I'd much rather have Andruw Jones over Rowand. Sorry Fathom, but I think Rowand should be our target. He is a better fit for the Sox in my opinion. Not that Andruw doesn't have a lot of upside mind you. (that's my out if we sign Jones)

Amazes me that we will trade our top talent and not try and resign them. But, we will consider paying top dollar for a FA or someone elses player who is eligible after the end of '08. We have a good team and only need to add one of two pieces, but don't seem to appfreciate out home grown talent. We are doing exactly the oppositge of what the Twins have done and been successful

I think the question is more "how many right moves will he make?"

I think Sox management believe MacDougal still has potential. But, we seem to have some AAA and AA players that could push him so anything is possible as far as trades. I like giving our own talent a chance to show the Sox what they have to contribute.

Uribe would be good as a super sub for the Sox and maybe that would open his eyes to the fact they are bigger than his stomach. We could see a resurgent Uribe this year-maybe?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 29, 2007 -> 12:36 AM) Not going to poke fun, just going to say these 2 things in response. 1. The Twins would never give up Johan to us for that little 2. Johan will not give us anywhere near that big of a discount. It ain't that little I don't think, but I do agree they won't give US Santana

I'll sign him for the Sox. How much do I write the check for? I think A-Row would be a great addition again and will help some of the other guys on this team.

If they need money that bad maybe we can all chip in and help. I'll give you my 2 cents worth ... B)

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 29, 2007 -> 01:34 PM) Interesting. I wonder if a 3 way deal is in the works? If it is we won't get the best player in the deal I am sure

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Nov 29, 2007 -> 03:19 PM) Isn't it hilarious to see posts one day about how we need to rebuild and value our prospects and the next day b****ing about how we need to deal the players for an established star? Also to get young we would have had to deal danks,dls, or gio plus 2 more guys. I was also thinking that if we had good prospects that we should keep them rather than overpay someone out there in a weak FA market. Plus read back on some of these things and see where people actually felt Hunter was not plan A for the Sox. It is quite obvious Hunter was the target. Now Rowand is still out there and is darn good, but we don't hear anything much from the Sox about him. Why? Aaron Rowand would be a great CF'er and fit in great with this team. He is a hard nosed player and gives 100% all the time. You have to question sometimes whether there really is a plan and just not some wish list that isn't unlike all teams wish lists.

He didn't do too bad in '06, but not good last year. It will interesting to see who the backup infielder(s) are. Ozuna at SS-2B-3B and who else?

Violence sucks and anyone that says otherwise should have the bejesus beaten out of them

You don't trade a major league starting picther for a AA prospect. You don't gain anything now to help you win. The suggsted trade is all Mets

Reflecting on his article and reading the responses from Soxtalk causes me to arrive at this conclussion: Even though I sometimes question KW's moves and his ability to get a good read on prospects I don't think $18M is warranted for Hunter & I also think A-Rod is not worth $27M, but they got it. Texas created the monster of big spending when they paid A-Rod the original contract. What I believe is we will see the Angels joining the Yankees as the high rollers of baseball. Now whether that translates into a pennant we will have to wait and see. Two of the best teasm money can buy. I just hope that our decisions on trades and FA signings doesn't get pushed/made by these outrageous money contracts. Aaron Rowand at $12.5M maybe for 4 or 5 years.

There is an article in the Sun-Times that I saw on the on-line version where Jay Marioti claims that the Sox are too cheap to engage in a true effort to acquire the high priced FA's such as Torii Hunter plus their efforts are amatueristic at best. He questions the Garland trade and says that Reinsdorf will never really spend the money for impact players regrdless of Kenny's bluster. He also doesn't think the Sox will make a serious effort to get Rowand back and that Aaron will end up with the Dodgers. We will probably trade for Crisp because he is cheaper. The 2005 championship is seen as an anomaly at best and we won't have the guns to win or compete. I know he doesn't much like Ozzie, KW or Reinsdorf, but I also wonder about some moves that have been made. Brings up past efforts/years in my mind and I wonder what others think?