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QUOTE (raBBit @ May 28, 2014 -> 10:17 PM) KC about to get swept by Houston in KC. Ned Yost is about to be unemployed. James Shields could be the top target in July for contenders if not Samardzija. A lot of the Mizzou media I follow are KC fans. They are so depressed. I kinda feel bad, after all these years and this was gonna be the one (still could be). On the other hand I was secretly hoping all this wouldn't pan out for them.

I can't see any logic in hosting a winter games. So often they are smaller cities with no hope to use that money again.

Yes, she won!

That is definitely circled on the calendar.

Awesome story, 18 year old Taylor Townsend from Englewood is on a wild card bid. She won her first match and is playing her second. She won her 1st set.

I'm rooting for Radwanska to put it all together but unlikely. Women's will be fun. Men's side, even with Nadal's poor play this year, I have a hard time believing Nova will take him out.

Gotta love another stellar pitching line from Downs.

I'm comparing slavery to slavery, and I feel pretty confident in that analogy.

QUOTE (gatnom @ May 27, 2014 -> 10:05 PM) It might be worth noting that the figure you're throwing out here far exceeds the $7 billion figure being thrown around. Now, if instead of just paying money out like the article was seemingly suggesting they pooled a smaller amount to try and fix the schooling and other issues that have been mentioned, they might be able to make some headway, IMO. I'm not sure I trust the government to pull off such a plan, but theoretically it could work. TBH straight cash transfers would be the easiest with least amount of "waste"but likely the least palatable.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 27, 2014 -> 10:06 PM) The problem is that people cant admit that there will always be racism, unfairness, etc in society. And that all we can do is try and give people a chance. Not an equal chance, maybe not even a fair chance, but if the stars align anyone can be anything in this country. Sometimes you gotta make your own breaks. That would have been a great speech to give slaves.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 27, 2014 -> 10:01 PM) That's your problem though, the "government" didn't do a lot of this. I guess our definitions of "lot" differ.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 27, 2014 -> 09:44 PM) Now that is just slight of hand. If the government pays reparations, we all pay reparations. I do find that mindset interesting though. If the government was responsible for a disaster area, pollution, accidental explosion, etc, and it destroyed properties or killed people, and they sued, would people be like "I didn't do it, why should I pay?"

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 27, 2014 -> 09:46 PM) I'll move the goal posts, as Balta will erroneously claim, but killing 6 million members of your group and making tens of millions more homeless is a little different than what happened to blacks here in the US. The slave trade featured more millions of deaths, a tearing apart of 450 years of families, abuse and rape of a group of people. edit: don't want to get into an oppression olympics. The only difference is the time that passed.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 27, 2014 -> 09:28 PM) I read the thread, could not find a decent argument. My family moved to this country post 1900 and they were minorities who were discriminated against. Why should they pay reparations? Did your family ever benefit from Social Security? GI Bill? Did your family ever own a home? Were they able to get a 30 year fixed mortgage? Did they use that mortgage to move into their desired neighborhood? Did that neighborhood have good schools? All of these had specific structural barriers practiced on black americans. Imagine if that wealth was denied to your family in these points by the government. Worse, imagine that the denial of those legitimate means of achieving those goals (mortages from banks) pushed your family to try and achieve their dreams through other ways, which were predatory and artificially sucked more money than would be allowed to a non-black family, pushing many into foreclosure and many into poverty. "You" may have not done anything, but you have benefited from a social system that has by and large placed a high premium on building the wealth of white communities, at the very least, at the expense of black communities. And that's the nicest reading of it. The other reading is that it placed a high priority of building wealth of white citizens, and preventing any wealth of black communities.

QUOTE (raBBit @ May 27, 2014 -> 09:39 PM) That was just a big swing and miss from Law. Ironically, he says Jim Callis's reporting over the years is what he strives for as a reporter. Law says when Callis says something, it's true. Ironcially, Callis's and Law's sources are saying complete opposite things less than two weeks away from the draft. In his chat last week there was a question on which teams' fans say Law hates them the most and the White Sox were not even mentioned. There was three or four teams mentioned and I think he said it was either the Cubs or the Giants. In any case, Law has been an admirer of Rick Hahn's work in the early going. As I said, I don't think he hates the white sox, but there did seem to be some antagonism during Kenny Williams reign and I did not see Law with much on the White Sox beside after the fact commentary.

QUOTE (gatnom @ May 27, 2014 -> 09:06 PM) Fair enough, bmags. I don't see anything wrong with debating it as he suggests. I just don't think his position is ever one that will be so easily satisfied, though. I understand. What I like about his advocacy is so often we've had these "Let's talk about race"moments and the focus seems to be on prejudice. That's fine and has its place. I think his point is our history is far more than Lincoln Freed the Slaves, Civil Rights act, and then all is well. American government (in all forms) and individual actors nationwide did not really allow Black Americans the right to their own property or accrue wealth for decades after reconstruction. The meme that Donald Sterling is a great example of American racism not because he told his girlfriend not to bring a black man to Clippers game, but that he generated wealth by housing discrimination preventing black families from moving into his areas. But the latter was fine. At least victims were able to seek retribution in this case.

QUOTE (gatnom @ May 27, 2014 -> 08:57 PM) This is the key point to me. Throwing money at it doesn't solve any of the root problems.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 27, 2014 -> 08:52 PM) To a group of people that specifically went through the experience (e.g. Japanese interred during WW2), not people who are descendants of people centuries ago. Where's the cut off? if you're black is that enough? Do you have to have ties to slavery in your family history? What if you were a slave in the north and were treated pretty well and then granted your freedom? What if you're a descendant of Sally Hemmings? Do they count? What should they get? I really really think you should read the full article.

edit: lost quote, this referred to Gatnom. But he then builds that point to show the piracy of black wealth and achievement by local governments, by state governments, and by the federal governments. Each arms of the American people. The point is that this isn't an antebellum south problem, it's an American problem.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 27, 2014 -> 08:41 PM) The thing I worry most about is where is the legal line here? We pretty much stole the country from the Indians, murdered and diseased them into an endangers species. Then the people that were left we forcibly gathered up, and moved into segregated camps. Heck we even had many "legal" agreements with them to give them this land and that land, not to mention other bribes to leave whatever land we wanted at the time. What are the appropriate remedies for the practical extermination of a race, decades and generations later? One could argue that they have as strong of a claim to remedies as African's do in this country. We put Japanese people into interment camps in WWII, what is appropriate there? We segregated and discriminated against the Chinese for much of our history. Same with the Irish. What do they deserve? Women have been a historical subspecies in this country for pretty much its entire history. Their claim status for reparations also has to rank up there. If you lay down a legal presence here, you open a pandora's box I am not sure where it ends. Where do we draw the line for saying that one group's claims are more valid than anothers? That they deserve reparations over another? I understand this point. On the other hand, I find few of those as compelling as the black and American Indian experience in the country. For the former, the sustained length of open oppression from the United States Federal Government, state and local governments and local actors make it more so huge that being fearful that every group ever wronged may also fight for reparations.

QUOTE (gatnom @ May 27, 2014 -> 07:08 PM) That bill seems a little too hand-wavy to me (the link provided was broken). Coates doesn't sound like a very reasonable man, and for that his argument isn't very compelling to me. To him, I'm already guilty, and the only matter left to be decided is just how much money I owe him. I don't know how anyone could read that article and come across with "he already thinks I'm guilty". That statement is hilarious to me.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 27, 2014 -> 08:20 PM) I just wish they would figure out a better way to award home field advantage so this game can go back to being the exhibition game it always was, and allow for moments like this. Baseball should celebrate its history and its uniqueness. I kind of laughed at this when there are so many obvious options to reward HFA. Hell, even a coin flip at beginning of year is better in my opinion.

True but that was also 4 years ago now. And it was bad the decade before that.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 27, 2014 -> 06:35 PM) Of course hawk's analysis is meaningless to Hahn and who we draft. I do find it odd that he has found this new subject to randomly rant about every game now. Maybe someone told him something, but that's putting on a tinfoil hat. He's old man, my grandpa sometimes goes off about bird feeders.

You know what, boo hoo, so what that 20-year HOF veteran Derek Jeter is going to play 2 innings in his final all star game. Is it annoying the elevated status he has maintained from playing in the country's largest media environment? yes, it was. So were his gold gloves, but this one? Can't get mad.