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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ May 27, 2014 -> 08:52 PM) To a group of people that specifically went through the experience (e.g. Japanese interred during WW2), not people who are descendants of people centuries ago. Where's the cut off? if you're black is that enough? Do you have to have ties to slavery in your family history? What if you were a slave in the north and were treated pretty well and then granted your freedom? What if you're a descendant of Sally Hemmings? Do they count? What should they get? I really really think you should read the full article.

edit: lost quote, this referred to Gatnom. But he then builds that point to show the piracy of black wealth and achievement by local governments, by state governments, and by the federal governments. Each arms of the American people. The point is that this isn't an antebellum south problem, it's an American problem.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 27, 2014 -> 08:41 PM) The thing I worry most about is where is the legal line here? We pretty much stole the country from the Indians, murdered and diseased them into an endangers species. Then the people that were left we forcibly gathered up, and moved into segregated camps. Heck we even had many "legal" agreements with them to give them this land and that land, not to mention other bribes to leave whatever land we wanted at the time. What are the appropriate remedies for the practical extermination of a race, decades and generations later? One could argue that they have as strong of a claim to remedies as African's do in this country. We put Japanese people into interment camps in WWII, what is appropriate there? We segregated and discriminated against the Chinese for much of our history. Same with the Irish. What do they deserve? Women have been a historical subspecies in this country for pretty much its entire history. Their claim status for reparations also has to rank up there. If you lay down a legal presence here, you open a pandora's box I am not sure where it ends. Where do we draw the line for saying that one group's claims are more valid than anothers? That they deserve reparations over another? I understand this point. On the other hand, I find few of those as compelling as the black and American Indian experience in the country. For the former, the sustained length of open oppression from the United States Federal Government, state and local governments and local actors make it more so huge that being fearful that every group ever wronged may also fight for reparations.

QUOTE (gatnom @ May 27, 2014 -> 07:08 PM) That bill seems a little too hand-wavy to me (the link provided was broken). Coates doesn't sound like a very reasonable man, and for that his argument isn't very compelling to me. To him, I'm already guilty, and the only matter left to be decided is just how much money I owe him. I don't know how anyone could read that article and come across with "he already thinks I'm guilty". That statement is hilarious to me.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 27, 2014 -> 08:20 PM) I just wish they would figure out a better way to award home field advantage so this game can go back to being the exhibition game it always was, and allow for moments like this. Baseball should celebrate its history and its uniqueness. I kind of laughed at this when there are so many obvious options to reward HFA. Hell, even a coin flip at beginning of year is better in my opinion.

True but that was also 4 years ago now. And it was bad the decade before that.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 27, 2014 -> 06:35 PM) Of course hawk's analysis is meaningless to Hahn and who we draft. I do find it odd that he has found this new subject to randomly rant about every game now. Maybe someone told him something, but that's putting on a tinfoil hat. He's old man, my grandpa sometimes goes off about bird feeders.

You know what, boo hoo, so what that 20-year HOF veteran Derek Jeter is going to play 2 innings in his final all star game. Is it annoying the elevated status he has maintained from playing in the country's largest media environment? yes, it was. So were his gold gloves, but this one? Can't get mad.

Even though I don't care for the "Keith Law hates the White Sox!" meme, I have a hard time believing he would have good sources on this.

QUOTE (gatnom @ May 27, 2014 -> 06:47 PM) I might have just missed it because I didn't really have time to do anything but give it a quick glancing over while at work, but It doesn't seem to me that he really ever puts forth a legitimate plan for how reparations would work. Where would the money come from? How would it be used? Furthermore, I don't think that just throwing money at the problem will actually solve it the way he thinks it would. What he actually proposes in the article is that the bill that John Conyers puts to the floor every single year (Bill H.R. 40: http://conyers.house.gov/index.cfm/reparations) be passed. What the bill actually does is it would form a committee to study slavery and its after-effects on current Black Americans, and would propose "appropriate remedies". Coates isn't a policy wonk and I don't think an article like his requires the actual solution laid out, his point was to make the case that the idea of reparations should not be considered outside the bounds of social discourse.

This year TJ has hit so many different pitchers who can even tell what the reason is.

WIthout a catchall thread I wanted to say this. I was driving down and back from STL sat and sunday listening to the game on the radio which I rarely have (I used to have the mlb gameday package where I would listen at work). I was actually really enjoying myself Saturday with Farmer and DJ. Though it was killer not actually seeing what happened on the Nieto play on Sat.

The east has been down so damn long. In football you had the long time dominance of the NFC that now switches back and forth. But in basketball the smart organizations seem to be confined to the West. There is some new blood: Philly potentially, Toronto. But for the most part it's just garbage in garbage out.

I unfortunately only have time for one sentence sniping now. I actually waited a bit and read it last night. It is very very depressing. I like that he used a specific neighborhood, heartbreaking it's in Chicago. BUt it does paint it out, how a neighborhood could fall apart when you are stripping the wealth out of the neighborhood and pushing vacancy of the housing all throughout. So evil. I was wondering what I would do if I specifically was a grandson of the family that was the landlords of these neighborhoods.

Interested to see what Wizards would consider to be their movable assets. I'm trying to remove myself from NBA offseason because it's too painful for me.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ May 27, 2014 -> 02:52 PM) Anyways, anybody hear about Kevin Love to the Wizards? If they can pull that off without giving up Beal, yikes. What's the proposed deal?

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ May 27, 2014 -> 02:15 PM) The Case for Reparations I thought that should be its own thread.

I had to dig for this one. I missed this weekends action, was bummed Stan got ousted so early.

I think the most discouraging thing to me from last night was before the game I felt so confident after seeing the lineups. These were our getmeover playoff lines. With the Red Wings series last year, I still felt like we were playing well despite being down 0-3. Blues we weren't but also gave away 2 late late leads. This series Hawks have run into a buzzsaw. I have to hope it just comes around on them just as quick.

I can't believe this is the same chicago special teams.

Man, team playing out of control.

I don't know why I hate the heat so much, but at this point I just do so whatever. I hate that nobody calls out how Wade is one of the dirtiest, whiniest players in the NBA. I don't really hate Bosh I think he's incredible. I hate Anderson and everything he does. I hate Battier for signing that bulls*** deal to go there. I hate Spoelstra because he looks like the game in mario party where you have to recreate bowsers face. And I hate Lebron because I have tried to talk myself into enjoying watching the best basketball player of the last 15 years, and then I watch him and immediately want to punch him in the face. Dude is amazing, but he's as likeable as Isaiah Thomas.

Last page and a half has been very entertaining. Kudos to everyone, I've learned a lot.

Honestly it looked like the Yankees were Cricket players trying to hit baseball pitches for the first time. I've never seen people so turned around. *still waiting for tweet to confirm he feels normal*