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I have no idea what you're argument is, WCsox, but if it's that we should fill a DH spot with "floor is their ceiling" s*** DH players just because you were hurt in the past by our underperforming veterans, than I guess we agree to disagree. Signing Damon only helps this team. It's a 1-year contract. Keeping our DH sit. as is only hurts this team. And it wastes our pitching staff.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Feb 18, 2010 -> 08:13 PM) Really? You were satisfied with Everett as being the primary DH? You have to remember that at the time I thought it would be for 2 mos. before Thomas would return. I had no idea thomas would then also get injured again. And in 04 thomas was having a damn nice season.

also in 2007 we had Darren Erstadt in CF and leadoff. Ugh god. And then a bunch of injuries you can't foresee, I know. In 2006 we had anderson. I won't fault them for that, it was his time, but the mackowiak/anderson debacle that year really was a big problem. Though the pitching staff falling apart was worse.

QUOTE (RibbieRubarb @ Feb 18, 2010 -> 07:58 PM) Would you have called Podsednik and Iguchi competent players before 2005?.... Do you remember how psyched this board and soxdom at large was about Iguchi? And this is one position that was EASILY FILLED. I'd be willing to let go Pierre, an inferior leadoff hitter, if we had a good lineup behind him. But instead we have a bad leadoff hitter to be coupled with a bad DH. That's 2 positions. But yeah leadoff is hard to fill. DH is easier to fill if you consider putting in bench players "filling it". I don't. I consider it a detriment to the team. And this well, let's see if this team fails or succeeds with a really bad offense before we add any players when you already have a 100 mill. payroll and an awesome pitching staff is really, really stupid, when you can just plug that hole with a 1) LH hitter (which is lacking ) 2) High OBP (which is lacking) player. It's a better allocation of resources, spending on a one year deal, instead of hoping that a really good bat is available for our not-so-deep farm system.

yes, I'm poor though.

QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 18, 2010 -> 07:48 PM) It's true...last year at this time, we were b****ing about Wise being in CF. We all know how that worked out. and then we learned he was going to lead-off

QUOTE (WCSox @ Feb 18, 2010 -> 07:29 PM) I never said that I wouldn't spend that kind of money on Damon (and Kenny and JR apparently haven't, either, as they reportedly offer him $7M). But if Damon wants $8M or $9M, I could see why Kenny would choose to tell him to go away. How many high-OBP guys did we have in 2007 and 2009? Where did that get us? Look at the level of talent that the 2008 team had, and they couldn't do any better than one playoff victory. This team has under-achieved so badly over the past three years that it's not even funny. Who is likely to help this team more down the stretch: Johnny Damon or Carl Crawford? Johnny Damon or Adrian Gonzalez? Wouldn't you package Flowers with a couple of other prospects for Cawford? I sure as hell would. And speaking of rental players, I haven't seen any evidence of the Sox offering Damon anything more than a one-year deal. Damon is, in effect, a rental player as well. The Sox don't have unlimited funds and it's silly to whine and b**** about them not over-paying for a declining DH like Damon or Matsui. Especially when DH is really the only hole on this team. Complaining about Thome is fine... I get that and I agree that he should've been brought back. But the rest of this is just whining. The starting pitching is outstanding, the bullpen is very good, the outfield defense has improved substantially over the past 6 months. Given the contracts they're currently carrying, having a flawless roster is out of the question. Again, what's the downside to waiting and seeing how this team plays before deciding to invest more heavily in it? "How many high-OBP guys did we have in 2007 and 2009" Not many. We had a really bad OBP last year. And as has been pointed out, we had decent #s for men in scoring position, but those opportunities didn't exist. Last year we were 10th out of 14 teams in the AL in OBP. In 2008, our OBP was still pretty low, but we made up for it with more power. This year, we didn't add any more power, and it damn sure doesn't appear that we added more base runners. So, like 2007 and 2009, we are going to start the season with a huge, gaping offensive hole, watch us struggle, get 5 or so games behind and then use our minor league talent to nab a different player to fill this hole. In 2005, we were the most complete team. Though we didn't grab amazing players, each spot was filled with a competent player. In years since, it seems a sure thing to go in with a s***ty spot, and it hurts the team. We do have a high payroll, and if we don't win, it will need to be decreased. What's fascinating is that you want to trade players in the minors that for the first time look to be real MLB potential talent, whom would be cheap for 6 years, for players that would last 1 or 2 years before getting massive raises. I'm not happy about Damon being the last resort, I've b****ed about it all winter. But it is what it is, and a one year stop gap does this team a hell of a lot of good.

k well he's won 1 mvp and damn near won a 2nd.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 18, 2010 -> 07:11 PM) AGon wouldnt be a rental And I guarantee that if A. Gonzalez is available, having johnny damon on our roster is not going to prevent us from getting him.

So you aren't willing to spend 4-5 million on a high OBP guy (which we lack), but are willing to waste a 100 million dollar roster with the best pitching staff on paper since 06 just so you can spend all of the pieces of our future for a rental player at the deadline.

yeah I've had it many a times. Ish aint worth the price IMO. At least in belgium its like 6 euros which aint bad.

"it just helps detroit compete with us" pt. 2

maybe he actually said "someday" and was just misquoted.

would it kill TPM to get some sort of marginally talented graphic designer or photo editor?

delirium is the best beer in the world? Hmmm...

I'm going to downgrade again. sigh.

Its disappointing because last night there was such a surge of momentum i was hoping it just finished it off, the longer it cools, the longer it favors the better money deal, I feel.

sweet, this threads gonna be like 2000 pages by then.

I was the kid that really sucked and was always stuck in right field. I don't recall a good moment.

Pods wife in KC is like a magnolia tree in the middle of an elephant graveyard.

This is really nervewrecking dudes.

I'm pretty excited that a French model is all the sudden so exciting to conservatives. (Especially one completely gov´t started)

well i havent heard that damon is in the best shape of his life, thats for sure!

QUOTE (Crash73 @ Feb 18, 2010 -> 03:11 PM) Farve wanna be! word.

yeah my friends are always high and he told me we lost to ISU saturday not @baylor by 2 pts.