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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 30, 2009 -> 02:57 PM) I personally think you need both kinds. I don't expect Woodward to dive into "small breaks", and I don't expect a paper journalist to do something as large in scope as his books either. It bothers me that someone with more access than any other journalist did not uncover any of that. It makes me wonder if he knew, but decided not to compromise his access.

Okay, let me continue to narrow this down, in my mind: There are two huge names in journalism with very different tactics: Woodward and Hersh. I think both of them miss the point. Hersh identifies problems, but frankly, they are usually too large to be taken seriously (are we ratcheting up for war in Iran), uses a crap ton of unidentified sources and gets damning information tainted by this fact. Woodward has an uncanny ability to get everyone to talk on the record and gets really interesting, albeit, historical information now. And below them, are a bunch of really savvy, talented journalists are identifying singular problems (corruption from contractors, torture, etc.) getting people to speak on the record, getting really incredible documents and put info into the marketplace that allowed people to question how this war was handled, what is being carried out in our name for safety. I think woodward and hersh's ego is too large, and they are trying to tackle too much. Hersh's mind couldn't settle for My Lai anymore, dude would try and tackle the administration plans for China and communists role in Vietnam. I can't imagine Woodward settling for diving into a small break in anymore. They're trying to tackle too much and end up not getting to the point of anything.

well if i lived in missouri i would've shipped you some...sorry!

Are you sure there's no 90 shilling in Chicago, well, sorry you would know. They have a good stock of it in Missouri. Oi, i didn't think I' ever pine/respect the products of Missouri when I first got there. Not a bad state everyone.

The senate isn't exactly a great representation of the populace as a whole, you'd find that in the house, which isn't having these problems. I don't think I should have to explain that each state gets 2 senators, regardless of population.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 30, 2009 -> 02:13 PM) Who cares if he was a key player? He's a journalist - by nature he's not a key player, and if he had been, that actually would make things more biased, probably. Better he wasn't. I think you misunderstood what I meant by key player. The at worst illegal, at best immoral/provocative, actions that the Bush administration was taking part in were not uncovered by the man given more access than anyone else. So instead, a couple free lance journalists through unbelievable work were able to uncover information without that access, and in my opinion, served the public more good than the theoretical mindset for Bush. I don't believe Bush going to war with Iraq was done with ill intention. And to his credit he did go to Congress for a resolution, when he didn't have to. But, it was always the administrations tactics and methodology that were heinous to me, and Woodward failed to identify it because he's too removed now. The guy always brags about how he has more time than the average journalist. He should've spent some of that identifying some key aspects to the war that reflect a great deal more light on the man's actions than his mere words.

Terrible, but I laughed. anyhoo, got the job. Looks like I'll be in the coldest, rainiest part of Brazil for a while.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 30, 2009 -> 01:10 PM) but it makes no snese to me to say that getting information from the people making those decisions is somehow less factual than the 100% guesswork that people outside that circle did. I don't think that's what we are saying is better. But by trying to get all of it, the understanding of the decisions behind the war and the timeline of it, his focus was too broad and he was not the key player in any of the major stories of the time, even with his unprecedented access.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Sep 30, 2009 -> 03:15 AM) A bit young for this Old Goat, yes. The cover was chosen to depict what comes to my mind when I think about the "pieces" spotlighted in VF. I'll take it over you posting the demi moore preggo pic that makes me uneasy.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Sep 30, 2009 -> 03:00 AM) Indeed, Vanity Fair knows a nice piece when they see it. wouldn't take you for a Hayden man.

I mean what does it say that one of the most important pieces of the decade appeared in vanity fair?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 30, 2009 -> 02:44 AM) Reid is a little b**** then. we agree on this.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Sep 30, 2009 -> 01:41 AM) I get it. Anything that opposes your great viewpoints with data up the ass is "wrong". Data is manipulated all the time - the black and white of do you want the government to run your health care or have private companies run it is pretty basic - but that question doesn't get asked. It's a bunch of pretty, veiled BS to make it look like everyone wants government health care. THEY DO NOT. They DO want reforms, but not the government run it. Oh, and the town halls were ORGANIZED. Right. I'm sick and damn tired of it. They were organized all right. SEIU, NEA, etc. And they couldn't even stop the fact that there were a hell of a lot of ordinary people that were voicing the fact that they were pissed off. Man, that could NEVER happen in America. NEVER. They were ORGANIZED. Glenn Beck did it. sorry bahahahaha this one was even better.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Sep 30, 2009 -> 01:11 AM) You all can't stand the fact that the town halls, etc. and the MAJORITY OF AMERICANS DO NOT WANT THIS s***. You can take your little polls and twisted language to solicit a response you want to hear, but (again) the majority, an overwhelming one at that, do not want state-run health care (and you all know damn well that's where it was going). You can sugar coat this any way you want about lobbyists, money, bribes, etc. but the Dems know that if they do (and there's still a {pretty good} chance it does in some form, just different language then "public option") shove this down our throat they're out of power again. The PEOPLE spoke on this one, and it's about damn time. I don't think I can make a bahaha string long enough to describe how long I laughed at this.

Don't give money to the DNC, give money to any primary challenger for these folks.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 29, 2009 -> 09:38 PM) Seriously they are. And they try to blame the Republicans for blowing it when they have a supermajority. They need 60 votes all to vote to end cloture, and when you have a senator in your party claiming you need 65 votes, then, no, you can't count those senators. When you have senators in your party from arkansas, no you can't count those senators. They are bought and paid.

look at the dem senators opposing the PO, and look whose funding them.

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Sep 29, 2009 -> 09:04 PM) i did like the scramble to the ball rather than a coin toss also, weren't the players encouraged to "date" the cheerleaders? really? Some dude separated his shoulder their first try on that. I damn sure wouldn't want one of my team's players injured just for possession.

Gates doesn't seem to be on board with that.

get out.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Sep 29, 2009 -> 07:12 PM) Correct, and to use the XFL / NFL comparison... the NFL couldnt do a whole lot to run them out other than produce a better product. Which was really difficult!!!

Congrats Israel on electing Netanyahu. Great move.

We also never even mentioned my favorite scene of the movie, the dinner scene where you gradually see Hearst and his first wife speak less and less and move farther and farther apart.

I know you said that Asia didn't really interest you that much, but among programs, I've heard great thing about JET, especially how they give you traveling stipends.

Didn't Welles try and claim most of the credit from Mankiewicz?