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QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 30, 2009 -> 05:10 PM) I'm not a fan of the media by any means but that's a pretty standard Republican theme and tactic. Taint the message before it arrives. If it's positive for you, you win. If it's negative, claim bias. Whether the bias is really there (it is sometimes) or not. Palin was treated unfairly for a period of a few weeks (right now she's getting more attention than she's earned, IMO) but really she made herself a target by claiming to be something she's wasn't (which people eventually figured out), then mocking her opponents, not backing it up with anything substantive or halfway intelligent, and whining about it endlessly afterwards. and closing herself off from the media. Also, when you claim to be just a modest hockey mom just like you and not like the elitists on the coasts, perhaps you shouldn't go dressing at the elitist clothing shops.

Cubano, you're extrapolating quite a bit. How many people went there, lets say 200,000, this is a nation of 300,000,000, so... you think that far less than 1% of our population could not afford to travel to Washington for a few days?

no one is arguing that scenario, but in this thread cubano has said both that poor people pay no taxes and that rich people pay no taxes, Both are obviously incorrect. I don't know why we always have to argue for the lowest common denominator or the worst extremes, People are working hard. Sometimes the government needs to make up for the demand in different markets in times like these. It's not socialism. I don't really pay anything except local taxes, however, I'll say that.

Yes, their suicide is fun to watch, that said, I don't think Obama will do it. You think the republicans are happy they didn't eliminate the filibuster now? It's poor showing, I think, to do what we are saying.

That 40% pays taxes cubano, they just don't pay the income tax. They get taxed on a large percentage of their income.

I mean, that's great, but not if we suck this year. 2007 was AWFUL

You think that will actually happen though? That's some hardball.

one more up. Also, Washingtonians are weak.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jan 30, 2009 -> 12:00 AM) What's Roland Burris' preference? Chicago Rush

Hmm...it's time we convert the pope.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Jan 29, 2009 -> 11:51 PM) It's really turning into an image war with bombs. That's a really interesting statement.

Duke, all the groups you've mentioned are pretty much decimated and near dead. In their heyday I think the ETA actually was important, but you are right these groups are brutal. The Tamil Tigers' tactics are revolting, and reading about them makes me squeamish.

Man I don't know if Everett was a reclamation project. He was hittin damn well at Texas when we picked him up initially if i remember. He was an allstar selection no?

Also, the leader is still working. These people, knowing full well the consequences are continuing to do their jobs without compromise. Respect is not a strong enough word, inspiring, it all seems like crap. I wish there was something I could do. Committee to Protect Journalists , this will just be another article.

In Sri Lanka there has been a civil war for nearly 20 years. For now, it appears that the Sri Lankan gov't has the Tamil Tigers on the ropes, but at what cost to its people. Recently, journalists have been the center of attacks. I found an article on this in this months economist, and here is the article from the editor of the sunday times, written three days before his death, as he knew it was coming. He was shot down outside his apartment. http://www.thesundayleader.lk/20090111/editorial-.htm I think out of respect to the man, I will just post the link, so that something can signal that people are watching.

QUOTE (mreye @ Jan 29, 2009 -> 05:41 PM) Oh, I agree. My argument isn't that we shouldn't have the coupon program. My argument is it was grossly mismanaged (Imagine that). They should have limited it to one coupon and then there wouldn't be this complaint about all these people that will be in the dark on Feb 17. I think many people got 2 even when they only have one TV that needs it, or have very little need for a converter, period. I got two coupons for two of my garage TVs that are on an antenna in the attic. I rarely watch TV in there (It's mostly used for karaoke and DVDs), but I figured if my tax dollars are going to pay for $40 of the $55 converters why shouldn't I take advantage of that. Ah, sorry. I agree. Ugh, too often I find myself carrying all the arguments of the thread and attributing it to the person I'm conversing with at the moment.

"Even though this may seem amusing to a lot of people, this is really serious, and it is a crime," said Austin Public Works spokesperson Sara Hartley. "And you can be indicted for it, and we want to make sure our traffic on the roadways stays safe." sara BUZZKILL

Even so, cubano, given the age of Viciedo and whirlwind, I don't know how good of an idea it is to depend on him so early to be our starting third baseman.

Saw this. We have a priest from Algeria studying at the journalism school through this exchange program we have through a Holy Cross university at the Vatican. Needless to say he was pretty upset, he said pretty much if you are in power in many African countries you are doing these things. I hope they let him get charged in Algeria.

Well, then, counterpoint, and why this is a mess. Is could you imagine living like a Palestinian, uneducated, unemployed and caged? Has there been a place in the world where people have been treated like that and haven't rebelled unless controlled by a talented dictator? Israel will not be able to insert a government over palestine as successful as to quell the violence, so this wishy washy defense doesn't really work either. It's just sustainable damage. I mean, if they want to do work, look at what Russia has done to Chechnya, that is some great stuff in the book of oppressive government success! Burning homes of parents who have kids that joined the militia...go putin. But as it stands, Israel's policy towards Palestine and vice versa is not something that is going to eventually solve anything. And really, as long as Palestinians are so unskilled and so uneducated, things will not change.

QUOTE (mreye @ Jan 29, 2009 -> 04:59 PM) Not brand new. It's old, I assume. Like the three in my garage I got for free. So, they should wait for these converter boxes to be available for $5 or free. Correct. Used TV. I assume these aren't rich people just using bunny ears to screw the cable companies out of profit. So, if 40 bucks is too difficult, let's assume as well that newspapers are too difficult, and that they have no internet. I don't think it's a smart move to isolate such a large portion of the pop. for market values. There already is a large knowledge gap, lets not take away another source where they could still be knowledgable in this democracy. This really isn't that big of a deal.

I got my TV for five dollars. Perhaps they did too.

they are a bit like the aliens in the toy grab in toy story. We just need to dress up like the claw. I think you see where I'm going with this.

bahaha

Perhaps Palestinians are especially stupid because their only education is to count how many pieces their school is in.