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that's interesting on severino.

I think a team could know they could move someone without needing another team to tell them they will trade for them. I think understanding player market is part of their jobs.

I don't think these imagined conversations people are having have happened at all. I think the sox felt that they'd rather have Kimbrel and the ability to either trade or keep him then pay $2 million and not have Kimbrel. And if you are a fan that hates Kimbrel and just wants him gone and have $14 million back, than I think you could easily trade Kimbrel where you net $14 million and $2 million in garbage offset. And if the sox choose to kick in $4-$6 million of his contract, they could probably get something more useful than $4-$6 million would get you in free agency. Whatever you believe, certainly there is some threshold of additional money kicked in to trade kimbrel that a good market will appear. And that starts at $2 million, since that was the buy-out. I get the whole Jerry doesn't kick in money stuff but I don't really care and we'll see what happens. but I think it's easily defensible on the merits.

True, but depending on their salary clearance, the worst case scenario is they are trading a Kimbrel at the deadline with a 50% contract. Even if he's bad that will go easily and likely get back a reliever swap or a depth piece. As crap as it was, teams will still see a guy that strikes out batters 40% of the time. The other 60% he was getting hit hard with us, but that is still valuable.

I don't know timing, but if I'm MN I would just take Vuc. I like Edwards a lot and I don't think it serves him to just rip the roster down to the studs. Vuc is worse than KAT, but he's also cheaper, aligns the franchise around edwards without issue, and you still get picks and the option to shed Vuc for something else. Danger for a player like Vuc. He is good to great, and signed a "good" contract, which makes him a total piece of math.

The going rate now is 3 picks and 3 swaps. I can't remember now, I think maybe they can do 2 picks (hou + 2027?) plus 3 swaps. So they are at a disadvantage. However, I do think if you use Vuc, who has a very tradeable contract, it gets you closer. And as @Chisoxfn mentioned, there is too much overlap there. KAT is better and younger so it's a no-brainer, but if its Vuc +2 picks + 3 swaps I unno. Is Lavine + Towns + Ball + DeRozan a champion? I think it at least opens the door but then you'd be completely, completely out of anything to improve. But, as OKC proved should you decide to, you can end up with like 40 picks if that's what you want.

See for me this is the thing. I don't think it would be a steal, I think it would be about what these types of 2nd baseman have been getting.

cool story. Love soxtalk negotiating fanfic. This benefits the Rays how?

Maybe, I think this is worth the gamble though. I am still open to him coming back.

the question for them then is do you pay $2 mill and the roster spot +$14 mill savings, or pay an additional $4mill for some value back, $10 mill in savings and a roster spot. I don't think they are wrong if they eat it. and if they go 50/50 they could probably find very good value.

I once again find it funny that we just finished the season saying “we are too redundant, too full of right handed corner players that hit too many ground balls “ and then two weeks later people are like “we should sign Avi”.

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Can’t think of a worse trade concept than that.

I feel like if you bring in KAT you are trading Vuc to make it happen tbh.

funny referencing eaton money and depth and a 35 year old outfielder

Yep, I think he'll still be an asset on the bench. But it's not working to start games, and they've been way too sluggish multiple games in a row.

hahahaha

Yeah I think Javonte needs to swap out soon with DJJ. Would really like to figure out a way for Vuc's shooting to return without needing to do the "feed boozer" stuff we had with him.

I still think inquiring on Frazier is a good option especially if you are paying 2020 prices on him.

Crap, was hoping their OF was set

Man that sucks. Was wondering what the hell happened to him.

I'm the rare person who thinks KC will be more of a nightmare. Detroits pitching came together faster, but when Witt comes up, and if KC's pitching gets in order, I think they will be pretty damn good. Obviously people will panic about detroit spending for free agents but not that concerned there.

Was it really just honor system? I'm not sure I get it, or were packers just letting him.

I think Reynolds is a very good player, I just hate paying talent premiums for control. We have a core for now, would ather look for 1-2 year guys or obviously free agency.

As someone who liked Baez at the deadline, you couldn't pick a worse fit offensively for the white sox. And yeah, I think it is disrespectful to Anderson, and we don't know that baez wouldn't be better at second anyway.